Former Coach Hatred Rankings

[Theologator]

Wonder if the Mods can transfer posts here when old coaches derail other threads?

I’ll beat the dead horses this way:

1. McElwain. So clearly inept in every way. Recruiting, offense, defense, Nord, everything.

2. Muschamp - The last thing we needed after Meyer burned himself and everyone else out was a more intense but less capable coach. His temper displayed his limitations. Dan Quinn was his best hire. In hindsight, maybe they should have fired Muschamp and promoted Quinn to HC before he left.

3. Mullen - The grating personality we all remembered was papered over for awhile (and fooled me) but lurked under the surface and eventually ate his resentful self up. He was a clear step up from McElwain and Muschamp for awhile but imploded on the same schedule.

4. Zook - I saw him from the start as an unintentional interim coach who bridged us from Spurrier to Meyer. Impossible to follow SOS once Stoops didn’t bite and Foley settled. Mediocre, got the roster out of balance, but recruited well and truly loved his players. Embarrassingly goofy and outright dumb at times, but no losing seasons. He’s the only guy on this list who wasn’t a dick and left with some good will. He’s like a barber you really like talking with but every other cut is uneven.

 

[gingerlover]

Mullen is the worst for me, but might be just because it’s the most recent. Just his hatred of the success Brian Johnson’s offense brought and his determination to sabotage it is enough to put him at the top. I’ve never seen a coach so stubborn that he tries to kill a record breaking offense because it’s not his vision. Then throw in everything else.

Butters is a hire I still can’t believe happened. How anyone could sit at the table with him and say that’s my guy and then act like you are bidding against a bunch of others is beyond me. Foley raced out there without a second thought. I don’t think he ever really wanted to be here himself.

Muschamp despite all his failures at least tried at first. Everyone thought he was the next big thing. Unfortunately for every great thing he did on D he made an even more horrible mistake with the O.

Zook was an idiot but brought in a lot of talent. He also lost most of his games in agonizing ways where it was a play here or a call there that did him in.

 

[soflagator]

Im going to go with Meyer, it was like he said F-it, pulled the pin and tossed the grenade in the room. UF football is still recovering from the mess he left behind. I will forever be thankful for that 3 year run of 2 titles, but I am beginning to wonder if it was worth it.

Mac and Mullin are close behind. Muschamp was a good guy, who tried and was just not up to it.

I typically respect your posts. You’ve always teetered right on the verge of top-5 material. But this has to be one of the worst takes in the history of this board.

For starters, Meyer didn’t say F it on his way out. In fact, he gave the chimpanzee running our athletic department an extra full year to find a replacement. That not only gave us more than enough time, but helped secure a top class, even if unbalanced. The reality with Mayer is his intensity, and overall model simply isn’t sustainable. It’s not as if he went on to have a long, illustrious career at Ohio State. It was basically the same thing. But notice that Ohio State had no problem going seamlessly to the next guy. We did because of who is running our athletic department. The current and two previous coaches, have all attested to that, which is why we have seen major changes under Napier. I have no doubt that if Meyer felt he could keep winning here, he would’ve stayed. The broken program was far deeper than anything over which he had control. The grenade that he left as you say, was a roster, completely loaded with future NFL talent. You’re buying the story that Muschamp was selling.

But again, Meyer, bad, Muschamp, good? I’m a suspicious man by nature, so my first instinct is to suspect hard drug use. But I’m also an empathetic person, and wonder if the whole post was written while being held at gunpoint by Muschamp himself. It’s also possible that both are true. Either way, I hope your morning improves.

 

[Thick&ThinG8r]

I really can't separate butters and Mullen for the top spot. Out of dozens of transgressions, two just gall to this second. First was butters pregame whinefest before the dwag game where instead of the expected fire up the team speech he went into a woe is me, it's my last game and we are all victims speech. We were 5 min late coming out of the tunnel and I told my sons we are about to take an epic a$$ whipping. 21-0 in an instant. There would be a long line to punch that mf'er in the face, including some former players.

Second and I'm sure there are much worse examples of his laziness but Mullen giving his recruiting phone to the whore to text the players, pretending it's him and letting our rivals find out and trolling us with it has me searching for my blood pressure medication right now.

A distant third would be the chimp. In 50 years of attending Gator football the Ga.S game was the the only time I had the crazy thought that I could actually play for the Gatos that day. Watching the walkon linebacker backpedal 20yds then pivot and run along side their running back as he pulled away, over and over was sicking to witness. And afterwards he breaks out the the midline comment.
It's safe to say, I have a hard time letting sh!t go.

 

[BNAG8R]

Let me guess, like with Schintzius, DeVoe told you to get a haircut too?

But he didn’t say “with garden shears”. Corch made that innovative decision on his own.

 

[soflagator]

The naysayers were the media. He clashed with them. Is that surprising of someone who believes in himself and his way of doing things? The guy is innately competitive.

At the end of a failed term, the coach is almost always going to appear defensive. His back is to the wall. I think you're conflating two entirely different subjects.

I’m a suspicious man by nature, so my first instinct is to suspect hard drug use. But I’m also an empathetic person, and wonder if the whole post was written while being held at gunpoint by Muschamp himself. It’s also possible that both are true. Either way, I hope your morning improves.

 

[78]

I really can't separate butters and Mullen for the top spot. Out of dozens of transgressions, two just gall to this second. First was butters pregame whinefest before the dwag game where instead of the expected fire up the team speach he went into a woe is me, it's my last game and we are all victims speach. We were 5 min late coming out of the tunnel and I told my sons we are about to take an epic a$$ whipping. 21-0 in an instant. There would be a long line to punch that mf'er in the face, including some former players.

Second and I'm sure there are much worse examples of his laziness but Mullen giving his recruiting phone to the whore to text the players, pretending it's him and letting our rivals find out and trolling us with it has me searching for my blood pressure medication right now.

A distant third would be the chimp. In 50 years of attending Gator football the Ga.S game was the the only time I had the crazy thought that I could actually play for the Gatos that day. Watching the walkon linebacker backpedal 20yds then pivot and run along side their running back as he pulled away, over and over was sicking to witness. And afterwards he breaks out the the midline comment.
It's safe to say, I have a hard time letting sh!t go.

Besides being wound like a corkscrew, Muschamp took himself entirely too serious and embarrassed himself in the process. Spurrier in the same situation would have taken a shot at himself for having recruited the people who made the lousy plays. The two approaches play out very different.

 

[oxrageous]

I’m a suspicious man by nature, so my first instinct is to suspect hard drug use. But I’m also an empathetic person, and wonder if the whole post was written while being held at gunpoint by Muschamp himself.

I laughed out loud.

This is 100% my kind of humor.

 

[CU-UF]

I typically respect your posts. You’ve always teetered right on the verge of top-5 material. But this has to be one of the worst takes in the history of this board.

For starters, Meyer didn’t say F it on his way out. In fact, he gave the chimpanzee running our athletic department an extra full year to find a replacement. That not only gave us more than enough time, but helped secure a top class, even if unbalanced. The reality with Mayer is his intensity, and overall model simply isn’t sustainable. It’s not as if he went on to have a long, illustrious career at Ohio State. It was basically the same thing. But notice that Ohio State had no problem going seamlessly to the next guy. We did because of who is running our athletic department. The current and two previous coaches, have all attested to that, which is why we have seen major changes under Napier. I have no doubt that if Meyer felt he could keep winning here, he would’ve stayed. The broken program was far deeper than anything over which he had control. The grenade that he left as you say, was a roster, completely loaded with future NFL talent. You’re buying the story that Muschamp was selling.

But again, Meyer, bad, Muschamp, good? I’m a suspicious man by nature, so my first instinct is to suspect hard drug use. But I’m also an empathetic person, and wonder if the whole post was written while being held at gunpoint by Muschamp himself. It’s also possible that both are true. Either way, I hope your morning improves.

Appreciate that, my point being is Meyer is a complicated figure. He cuts both ways for large portions of the fan base. The guy should be in the ring of honor yet any discussion of it is quickly shushed. Now that it has been 15 years, idk, I recall it as the health scare, I am quitting, no I am not quitting I will slog through a year as a shell of a coach and then slide out only to re-emerge two years later, happy, healthy and coaching the Buck-nuts.

I know my wife, casual college football fan, gator alum has a visceral response when meyer is brought up (Although I think she hates Shelly more from GHFC interactions). I absolutely still think the two natty's were worth it. But facts are facts, UF football has not been the same since he quit. We can argue over the reasons why but he does shoulder some of that blame, whether you think it is trivial or alot.

In regards to Muschamp, that's an opinion. He was a bit of an ass with press but as a member of the community he was always available and was a stand up guy supporting youth sports. He showed some character coming back for the funerals of the murdered kids.

 

[soflagator]

Appreciate that, my point being is Meyer is a complicated figure. He cuts both ways for large portions of the fan base. The guy should be in the ring of honor yet any discussion of it is quickly shushed. Now that it has been 15 years, idk, I recall it as the health scare, I am quitting, no I am not quitting I will slog through a year as a shell of a coach and then slide out only to re-emerge two years later, happy, healthy and coaching the Buck-nuts.

I know my wife, casual college football fan, gator alum has a visceral response when meyer is brought up (Although I think she hates Shelly more from GHFC interactions). I absolutely still think the two natty's were worth it. But facts are facts, UF football has not been the same since he quit. We can argue over the reasons why but he does shoulder some of that blame, whether you think it is trivial or alot.

In regards to Muschamp, that's an opinion. He was a bit of an ass with press but as a member of the community he was always available and was a stand up guy supporting youth sports. He showed some character coming back for the funerals of the murdered kids.

I can appreciate the personal elements regarding youth, sports, and other things. Sounds like that may have been something you saw firsthand, so I get it and have heard numerous people talk about him as a person. I’m just really big on accountability, and I never saw that from him. It was always someone else’s fault—the roster Meyer left, the injuries, the adversity on the field, the refs, etc. It just became exhausting. The reality is it was none of those things, but rather was his insistence on winning games, 14 to 10 and allowing no margin for error, that caused the failure. And the flipside to his being a good person, was his duration of everything UF on his way out. Where Zhuk was humble and recognized he simply hadn’t done enough, Muschamp still kept that arrogant persona. He even had his kids decked out in Auburn gear in their final weeks of school here once he’d been hired there. To me, that situation revealed a lot about his character, and it was petty and very unappreciative of what we had given him.

 

[CU-UF]

I can appreciate the personal elements regarding youth, sports, and other things. Sounds like that may have been something you saw firsthand, so I get it and have heard numerous people talk about him as a person. I’m just really big on accountability, and I never saw that from him. It was always someone else’s fault—the roster Meyer left, the injuries, the adversity on the field, the refs, etc. It just became exhausting. The reality is it was none of those things, but rather was his insistence on winning games, 14 to 10 and allowing no margin for error, that caused the failure. And the flipside to his being a good person, was his duration of everything UF on his way out. Where Zhuk was humble and recognized he simply hadn’t done enough, Muschamp still kept that arrogant persona. He even had his kids decked out in Auburn gear in their final weeks of school here once he’d been hired there. To me, that situation revealed a lot about his character, and it was petty and very unappreciative of what we had given him.

I respect that.

 

[Detroitgator]

Appreciate that, my point being is Meyer is a complicated figure. He cuts both ways for large portions of the fan base. The guy should be in the ring of honor yet any discussion of it is quickly shushed. Now that it has been 15 years, idk, I recall it as the health scare, I am quitting, no I am not quitting I will slog through a year as a shell of a coach and then slide out only to re-emerge two years later, happy, healthy and coaching the Buck-nuts.

I know my wife, casual college football fan, gator alum has a visceral response when meyer is brought up (Although I think she hates Shelly more from GHFC interactions). I absolutely still think the two natty's were worth it. But facts are facts, UF football has not been the same since he quit. We can argue over the reasons why but he does shoulder some of that blame, whether you think it is trivial or alot.

In regards to Muschamp, that's an opinion. He was a bit of an ass with press but as a member of the community he was always available and was a stand up guy supporting youth sports. He showed some character coming back for the funerals of the murdered kids.

If you watched Swamp Kings, you'd certainly think there are many reasons why he should be in... but he's out, for all the many things they left out of Swamp Kings. Not sure that will change.... first, they'd have to change the criteria for a coach to be in the ring of honor by lowering the number of SEC Championships won.

 

[GatorFL]

Muschamp/Butters/Mullen
Zook

In all fairness to Zook he brought in equal amounts of talent on both sides of the ball which is something none of the other 3 did creating massive imbalances that take 2-3 years to correct. You could say Zook was just not a good motivator or game planner....but none of the 4 were consistently good at that.

Something that sticks out to me to this day was the decision that idiot Butters made by throwing Grier off the team...Can you imagine our 2018 offense with him at QB? We had Jefferson, Swain, Hammond, Pitts, Toney, and Grimes at WR...Perine, Pierce and Scarlett at RB and the best offensive line we've had in the last 14 years....Guarantee we would have been a playoff team and Grier walks offstage in NY with the Heisman Trophy in hand.

I agree with this order, exactly how I would rank them as well.

I've softened on Zook quite a bit over the years. Great recruiter and he could coach but just not consistently. He had big shoes to fill and he failed, but I think he was better than Chump and Butters.

Chump didn't care about offense at all, completely wrong for the culture at UF. Hardheaded, combative with the media and the fans. Peter principle in action. I stopped buying season tickets because of the ****ty product he was putting on the field. I cheered when he was fired.

Butters worked hard to ruin the program with his crappy recruiting. But the two worst things he did were to boot Grier and complete lack of a conditioning program. The laziness and the lies about the death threats were just icing on the cake. He was in way over his head here. I didn't cheer when he was fired but I felt like the team could only improve.

I was ok with the Mullen hire but quickly soured on him because of his loyalty to Franks. Once Trask got in, I thought we were back. Until it was clear that Big Head Todd's defenses couldn't stop a flag football team. And when he brought Grantham back, I knew his time here was limited. I wasn't surprised to read that 2 part article of what happened.

I'm not sold on Karl yet, but I can respect his approach. The crootin' certainly seems to be balanced on both sides of the ball and focused areas of need. While I wanted to see him hire a true play caller in the offseason I am willing to see how the O looks this year. I think regardless of record he's bought himself this year with the recruiting. He's all in on Lagway and I hope it works out.

 

[Gatormac2112]

I think I just have to take it most recent on back:

1) Mullen: Arrogant, lazy know it all that was too invested in making his friends happy than doing what was right for the program, players and fans.
2) Mac: I knew in the introductory press conference he was a fraud, in way over his head. Baked bean teeth. Fuching sharks. Death threat lies.
3) Dwag: He at least recuited and coached good defenses and beat the shyt out of white boards. Lost to Georgia Southern that didn't attempt a pass.
4) Zook: He actually gave it his all and was in a no win situation that he never should have been hired for. Largely recruited Meyers first NC and has the
field at FSU named after him
5) Meyer: 2 NCs. Tebow. Could have been Saban had he not had such bad heartburn and stuck with us.
6) SOS: The greatest of all time, in spite of only one NC. He changed the game and brought the SEC out of the 1940's. The GOAT.

 

[oxrageous]

Lost to Georgia Southern that didn't attempt a pass.

They actually didn't COMPLETE a pass. They attempted 3.

 

[Gatormac2112]

They actually didn't COMPLETE a pass. They attempted 3.

Whatever McFly, they still shouldve been all over the LOS stuffing that option crap

 

[jdh5484]

 

[oxrageous]

Whatever McFly, they still shouldve been all over the LOS stuffing that option crap

The guy who dominated us that day was Jerick McKinnon, who scored 10 TD's for the Super Bowl champion Chiefs last year. He had no business playing at Georgia Southern.

 

[Spurffelbow833]

I have nothing but love for Ron Zook. Dude was humble, worked his ass off, recruited about as well as Meyer, never had a losing season, never lost to UK or Vandy, went to a bowl every year, and ran a clean program. He just couldn't put it all together and was a below average head coach.

The other three were pretty much the exact opposite of Zook.

fireronzook.com was a lot of fun, too.

 

[Gatormac2112]

The guy who dominated us that day was Jerick McKinnon, who scored 10 TD's for the Super Bowl champion Chiefs last year. He had no business playing at Georgia Southern.

Mushchump nut-swinger. Get laid.