Golesh: do the Gators need Russian collusion?

[AuggieDosta]

Its a monkey.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

 

[Treebeard]

Says the guy with a chimp as his av

Look at the tail man!

 

[neteng]

Lol...50-15

Watched the game today. Dink and dunk east west ball control up tempo offense. No thanks.

I saw better losses today than that. Vandy had a real good loss today. Maybe we should go after their coach too.

 

[GatorJ]

Two things about this game.

1 – the refereeing was atrocious. Miami player literally punched a USF player and no penalty was called. There were at least 6 to 8 penalties called on USF that negated first downs, scoring, or defensive stops. They called so many penalties of this game that absolutely wrecked the offensive rhythm of USF in the second half.

2. They just don’t have the horses to compete against any P4 team. Even though they could keep close with Bama and Miami for a half, things come off the rails by the fourth quarter because they just don’t have the depth. They had kids collapsing from exhaustion all over the field in the late third quarter and the fourth quarter.

Golesh is a hell of a coach. Selfishly, I’d love him to stay at USF and have UF pick up somebody like Meyer or Kiffin.

The USF A.D. has made two stellar hires at head coach for both football and basketball.

 

[soflagator]

Lol...50-15

Watched the game today. Dink and dunk east west ball control up tempo offense. No thanks.

I saw better losses today than that. Vandy had a real good loss today. Maybe we should go after their coach too.

Again, no one says he should be target 1. But I think some here, not necessarily you, still fail to grasp the business scenario we find ourselves in. Unless Meyer pulls a 180, there is no risk free move here. Even Kiifin presents some unknowns. And while I’d put him as definite first choice, there is even less certainty behind him. What some, again not you per se, seem to miss is that there is major risk in anyone beyond that, just in different forms. We are either getting a big name and being tied up for 10 years with no guarantee of success, grabbing Klekman/Drinkwiz type and being tied up for 6-8, or hiring an up and comer with a lesser resume but higher trajectory and being tied up for 3-4. It’s either duration risk or experience risk.

For all the talk of how bad a guy like Golesh is—and let’s not forget that all of this was predicated on hard fought games against P4 teams and a 9-10 win season—I’ve yet to see a proposal of someone that would be definitively better.

 

[gatorbait1906]

Again, no one says he should be target 1. But I think some here, not necessarily you, still fail to grasp the business scenario we find ourselves in. Unless Meyer pulls a 180, there is no risk free move here. Even Kiifin presents some unknowns. And while I’d put him as definite first choice, there is even less certainty behind him. What some, again not you per se, seem to miss is that there is major risk in anyone beyond that, just in different forms. We are either getting a big name and being tied up for 10 years with no guarantee of success, grabbing Klekman/Drinkwiz type and being tied up for 6-8, or hiring an up and comer with a lesser resume but higher trajectory and being tied up for 3-4. It’s either duration risk or experience risk.

For all the talk of how bad a guy like Golesh is—and let’s not forget that all of this was predicated on hard fought games against P4 teams and a 9-10 win season—I’ve yet to see a proposal of someone that would be definitively better.

Brohm > Golesh

 

[soflagator]

Brohm > Golesh

I’m not so sure, but I’d be ok with Brohm.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I’m not so sure, but I’d be ok with Brohm.

Years ago...

Today he's proven very pedestrian at recruiting and not interested in defense or special teams. Yes it doesn't seem particularly interested in getting far from his hometown. I LOVE his offense, but I just don't see the fire.

As for Golesh, I LOVE that aggressiveness of the offense and that Oregon style tempo, but it seems run first mostly and I dont love it. There are some games when he throws the ball a lot. I do love his fire.

Everything is a risk.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Brohm > Golesh

1906!!!! Welcome back

 

[gatorbait1906]

1906!!!! Welcome back

Thank you, I love it here.

 

[neteng]

Again, no one says he should be target 1. But I think some here, not necessarily you, still fail to grasp the business scenario we find ourselves in. Unless Meyer pulls a 180, there is no risk free move here. Even Kiifin presents some unknowns. And while I’d put him as definite first choice, there is even less certainty behind him. What some, again not you per se, seem to miss is that there is major risk in anyone beyond that, just in different forms. We are either getting a big name and being tied up for 10 years with no guarantee of success, grabbing Klekman/Drinkwiz type and being tied up for 6-8, or hiring an up and comer with a lesser resume but higher trajectory and being tied up for 3-4. It’s either duration risk or experience risk.

For all the talk of how bad a guy like Golesh is—and let’s not forget that all of this was predicated on hard fought games against P4 teams and a 9-10 win season—I’ve yet to see a proposal of someone that would be definitively better.

I think its very easy to see how dire the scenario is when Donkey and you are talking as if Golesh should even be considered as a possibility. Again, his resume is crappier than any of the previous 4 hires when they were hired. I mean really, isn't there some other mid level guy in a crappy conference doing better than Alex that we can fall back to first?

 

[FireFoley]

I have no idea if Golesh is a big time coach or not but he has changed USF since he arrived for the good. For the 99.9% of UF football fans who only care about offense, Golesh needs a QB for him to have a chance. The guy at QB for USF currently cannot throw for shyt.

 

[Concrete Helmet]

If we were going to consider hiring this guy why not just go after the guy who masterminded the go fast offense in Scott Frost? That said....
I'm never for hiring someone who runs this system as it hangs a defense out to dry too often particularly when playing REAL teams.
Give me a guy who can run a conventional system well and use tempo maybe 2 or 3 plays at a time to take advantage of personnel or time issues and puts equal emphasis on both sides of the ball when recruiting and hiring staff.

Go fast stuff never wins championships

 

[soflagator]

I think its very easy to see how dire the scenario is when Donkey and you are talking as if Golesh should even be considered as a possibility. Again, his resume is crappier than any of the previous 4 hires when they were hired. I mean really, isn't there some other mid level guy in a crappy conference doing better than Alex that we can fall back to first?

It’s pretty simple and I’m sorry you’re having so much trouble with it. Any talk of him is forward looking projection based on what he’s done. At this point, his record is so limited there isn’t enough data to go off of. But he was a very successful offensive coordinator who would bring a high-powered offense to UF. He took over a 1 win team and took them to 7 wins in his first year. If he were to turn that into 9 or 10 wins this year, that would make his record 16/17 wins and 8 or so losses, including 3 games against Top 10 teams. Considering we won’t get any kind of news on LK until late November at the earliest, yes it’s worth keeping an eye on to see if that comes to fruition. If it doesn’t, so be it. But he has his team playing well, especially given the circumstances he inherited. He would be a risk in terms of being unproven. But again, he’s also not a complete roll of the dice like Lebby, nor would we be way overspending like we will with many of the other names.

Where I’ll totally agree with you is that this is probably the worst year imaginable for us to be going through this. Even regarding a playoff, going to 12 teams this year couldn’t come at a worse time for us. I don’t think Ole Miss will be a top four team, but I’d be shocked if they aren’t in the top 12. And then, even if he wore a slam dunk, beyond him is a tremendous step down. Stricklin and Napier have put our program in a perilous situation.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I have no idea if Golesh is a big time coach or not but he has changed USF since he arrived for the good. For the 99.9% of UF football fans who only care about offense,

You havent had enough of trying to win 17-14 or 21-17 yet?

Want to shake that Saban tree one more time?

 

[aka]

I'll pass on the Goulash.

 

[Ancient Reptile]

If we were going to consider hiring this guy why not just go after the guy who masterminded the go fast offense in Scott Frost? That said....
I'm never for hiring someone who runs this system as it hangs a defense out to dry too often particularly when playing REAL teams.
Give me a guy who can run a conventional system well and use tempo maybe 2 or 3 plays at a time to take advantage of personnel or time issues and puts equal emphasis on both sides of the incentive based contract when recruiting and hiring staff.

Go fast stuff never wins championships

Was it Frost or Heupel? That said, given his total failure at his alma mater, he could probably be had cheap on an incentive based contract and terminated without penalty any December.

 

[Ancient Reptile]

I'll pass on the Goulash.

N poo t Hungarian?

 

[Ancient Reptile]

Again, no one says he should be target 1. But I think some here, not necessarily you, still fail to grasp the business scenario we find ourselves in. Unless Meyer pulls a 180, there is no risk free move here. Even Kiifin presents some unknowns. And while I’d put him as definite first choice, there is even less certainty behind him. What some, again not you per se, seem to miss is that there is major risk in anyone beyond that, just in different forms. We are either getting a big name and being tied up for 10 years with no guarantee of success, grabbing Klekman/Drinkwiz type and being tied up for 6-8, or hiring an up and comer with a lesser resume but higher trajectory and being tied up for 3-4. It’s either duration risk or experience risk.

For all the talk of how bad a guy like Golesh is—and let’s not forget that all of this was predicated on hard fought games against P4 teams and a 9-10 win season—I’ve yet to see a proposal of someone that would be definitively better.

Kiffin would be Mark Richt, 9 or 10 wins/season. Urban is finished. Stick a fork in him, he's done.