Great Article about Mullen's "Culture Problem" at UF

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    Does Florida have a ‘culture problem?’ Evidence suggests no, but the issue is complicated

    I really believe Mullen is trying to actually follow a lot of the core values and standards that he learned from Meyer. The consistent enforcement of those rules, however, is obviously a real priority with Mullen which stands in stark contrast to the situational ethics Meyer used in privately applying the values he so strongly professed in public. I sometimes wonder what kind of negative stories those 2006-2009 teams might have produced if Tim Tebow wasn't there to actively help police his team.
     
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    I read a nastier slant on it in the Tampa Bay Times (Matt Baker). Yes, 5 incidents. And 4 of the 5 people involved were removed from the program, and 1 pending. The responses seem right, maybe risks weren’t adequately assessed before signing them but my guess is it’s hard evaluate that.

    That was also true of Meyer at least in terms of the “31 arrests” that was bandied about. Those with misdemeanors had significant suspensions commensurate with their offense (a suspended license was treated differently than a fight or something.) Those with felonies were generally removed entirely. I cannot recall if Dunlap ultimately had a felony DUI or plead down to a misdemeanor. Then there all the rumors of other misdeeds that were buried. I’m not trying to exonerate Meyer, but his & the university responses to arrests weren’t out of whack.

    The bigger issue is the narrative. If that narrative “bad boy program” takes hold, it is unlikely to be dislodged by facts and will hurt recruiting among other things.
     
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      It's not just the Florida football program that has a culture problem, it's major college football as a whole.
       
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        And the culture. 70% of young adults are not eligible to enlist in the armed forces due to drugs (prescribed and recreational), criminal history, weight, HS drop outs, etc.
         
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          Wow! How stringent is that military drug rejection. Seems to me, now or soon 90% of all 18 year olds will test positive for pot.??
          On the battleground, with the devastating firearms and running athletic body control demands, I would not want my field-buddies brain-fogged in the least. I'll try not to think about it.
           
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            Mullen is in the same mold as Meyer and if you are a good player he will try to keep you on the team. When he was at MSU he kept a 5 star recruit on the team that beat down a female on video. The UF administration would never allow him to do that here however.
             
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            Whose problem? This piece seeks to frame it as though DM took the job and spent the first team meeting coaching up the players on how to rough up women.

            Does he even get a chance to unwind the damage that may have already existed?
             
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              That is crazy but I heard they wanted some college credits now if you just had a GED which I think is crazy since many high school grads couldn't pass a GED test.

              Weight is probably the biggest change from the past disqualifying people and those psych drugs they give out like candy now.
               
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                Pretty standard. They piss everyone at MEPS.
                 
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                  Yep he hasn't had anyone put a gun to their girlfriend's head yet like Butters had.
                   
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                  his family was in danger from the shark and the losing. I heard him say it myself.

                  what's funny if you go back and listen to the shark thing now he uses almost the same BS as he did over the fake death threat phone calls. it is standard schtick.
                   
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                    Most kids that have tried pot don’t admit it on the questionnaire. Unless they pop positive, they’re in.

                    Now if you get caught with it in your system after you raise your right hand - at any time - you get administratively separated automatically with an “other than honorable” discharge.
                     
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                    I know what I did at MEPS before I went into the Air Force. Can I stick to that at least? You and sad roommates?
                     
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                    I’m sure it’s coming. Look at the amount of professional adults in the NFL that are routinely getting hit with ridiculous stuff like this. To pretend that this is a UF issue or that it’s not going to continue and actually get worse is laughable.

                    The majority these kids grow up in single-family homes in a culture that glorifies drug use, violence, and disrespect of women. Then after 18 years of that, we have the gall to attempt laying the blame for all of their missteps at the feet of a coach who is severely limited by rules to a limited amount of contact with them over the course of just a few years.

                    That’s possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
                     
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                      I misread your initial post and edited.

                      Out of curiosity, how many years ago was that?
                       
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                      Pre-/Post- 9/11?
                       
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                      Our oldest son is an Army recruiter Staff Sgt. The issue with the GED is that it indicates the person couldn’t work within the structure of high school, which implies they won’t function well in the Army’s structure. The college work shows maturity and handling your business, overcoming that issue.
                       
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                        The libs do not get that.
                         
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