Gun Debate Between Ted Cruz and Alyssa Milano

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  1. g8tr72

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    Over an hour long, but interesting to watch no matter your position on guns.

     
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      She's a vapid kunt, but at least she went face to face.
       
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        Why does this shot remind me of Princess Leia chained to Jabba the Hut?
         
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          Possibly face to deface.
          That was one of the better debates, even if it still did not get us anywhere. But again there is that focus that the ends justify any means? And emotional upset is the best lawdriver.

          Alyssa actually mentioned with zinger-pride her tweet asking Cruz to show where in the Bible it said having a gun is a God given right?
          { gunpowder: invented in China 9th century = no guns when Bible was written. :confused: )
           
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          Right after it says it's okay to beat your ***** ass wife and an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Libs asking for references in the bible? That's fresh. She'll be marching with planned parenthood next week to kill more babies.
           
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            If you want gun control, the path forward is simple: Change the constitution. The instructions for doing so are right there for anyone to see.
             
            • Durty South Swamp

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              Little known fact, the second doesnt bestow the right of firearm ownership on citizens. It simply guarantees that right which is bestowed by virtue of existence, cant be encroached upon by the fed.
               
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                So it's just a reminder that my existence guarantees my right to own a firearms regardless of my behavior while existing?
                 
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                Indeed. And if you disagree, point out to me where in the 2A it says that the right can be infringed upon, for any reason. I'm going to make an assumption that you arent as familiar with the context of the bill of rights as you may believe. The Constitution doesnt bestow any rights to any people, it restricts the activities of the government. In addition, the Bill of Rights itself does not bestow any rights on citizens. Instead it highlights specific inalienable rights that are granted to us by the Almighty, and forbids the government from encroaching upon them. If you really analyze the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, all both of them do is restrict government activity. Neither grant rights, because rights granted by a document or a group of men, can be restricted by another document, or other group of men. The framers knew this, and guarded against it by defining rights as God given so that no man can claim authority otherwise.
                 
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                    I am full aware of that. My comment was more of an affirmation than a challenge in position.

                    I've spent alot of time listening to some of the Profs of constitutional history at Hillsdale College. I've always been pretty informed in this area but Hillsdale has brought some things to light that I hadn't considered.
                     
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                      Ah gotcha, your initial comment read more like you were questioning my statement or throwing some sarc in my direction. I get really pissed when idiots try to tell me I dont have a "need" for an AR or that there should be "common sense" laws which means nothing and is code for infringement.
                       
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                        That’s quite a video. It breaks past the 2-dimensional caricatures we tend to receive and/or form about politicians and celebrities. Actual conversation. Long form, not sound bites. I like how Cruz listened very respectfully and empathetically for a LONG time before speaking, and was very patient when interrupted.

                        And despite her very emotive approach, I appreciate that Alyssa Milano is trying to do more and other than soapbox posturing.
                         
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                        meh, she mostly read/recited standard, false democrat talking points and appealed to emotions. it's obvious for someone that seems so vested in this national discussion, that she hasnt even taken a few moments to become informed. she doesnt know the difference between an AR and a rifle employed by the US mil. she doesnt know the difference between semi auto and auto/machine gun. she doesnt understand that ARs are rarely used in crimes and that the overwhelming majority of gun crimes are with hand guns. she also doesnt know that AR does not mean "aSsaULt RifLe" nor is there any such thing as an assault anything. doubtful she knows the difference between a clip and a magazine which seems to be 8 out of 10 people these days :facepalm:.

                        She and the rest of the libs actually think that a bullet somehow comes out faster, and causes more bodily damage when fired from an AR than the same bullet from a more traditional style rifle such as a bolt action. Anyone that has any clue whatsoever about firearms knows this is an incorrect and patently absurd belief. Further, anyone that doesnt at least understand that it is the bullet and bullet design, not the tube that it is flung through, that determines impact effects and velocity (by large majority) should not be listened to or given a platform. Alibi - i say velocity by majority as barrel length has some effect on bullet velocity, however, it is the complete opposite of liberal talking points as longer barrels increase velocity (long rifles, bolt action, etc), while AR barrels are typically just slightly long enough to not be categorized as short barrel rifles. The same bullet fired from a standard AR will travel faster and farther fired from a bolt action rifle.

                        Finally, the most common round fired from an AR is a .223 cal, also known as 5.56mm NATO. This round is only a few thousandths thicker than a .22, which is good for squirrel or rabbit hunting. And the reason this is the round that the US employs is because of how small it is, and how little kick it creates when fired. The US used to have much bigger rounds and weapons employed as individual weapon systems but went to the 5.56 round for weight savings, and for tiny little 17 year olds that didnt like real caliber kick and would be sometimes hesitant to the pull the trigger because of it. I say again, the 5.56 round is used because it's a pop gun and doesnt scare anyone firing it. Anyone telling you this round causes mass carnage, leaves 6" holes in flesh, can penetrate steel, or any of the other sensational claims is full of sht and doesnt know their azz from that 6" hole, although both are probably about the same diameter.

                        /end rant.
                         
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                          I'll say it - the guy whose girl died in Parkland was a jerk. Completely.
                           
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                          Probably, 'cause government rarely shoots straight.

                          I doubt she's a liberal capable of evolving. If you wish to count on her integrity = watch the Kavanaugh hearing and her beliefs against him with her beliefs in Christine Blasey Ford. In the video notice how Alyssa positions herself just to his right shoulder and does camera-lassoing wiggling.
                          She's apprenticing for some leadership against the 2nd amendment. Anybody who believed the Kavanaugh allegation will not turn reasonable.
                           
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                            I’ll admit that I like it when you talk like this... :lol:
                             
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                              Right.

                              I was speaking specifically to this video only. In my view, she’s a typical Hollywood activist, long in emotion and void on facts. And she can work the camera, probably does it instinctively.

                              Her whole premise, that she “fears for her children” is illogical, nonsensical fear-mongering.

                              Her children are statistically at far greater risk of dying in a traffic accident on the way to or from school that from a shooter at all, much less one utilizing an AR-15 or whatever.

                              The way to contend with fear is courage, not in mitigating statistically minuscule but emotionally charged risks. If there are real dangers, fix them. Basing policy on media hype isn’t wise or helpful.
                               
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                                He always talks Durty.
                                 
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                                  yes, but with all that said...


                                  would still pee... :naughty:
                                   

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