Happy 4th of July

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  1. stephenPE

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    242 years later we are still scrapping and kicking around what it all means and
    how we should move forward. We all now have a forum or media way to say what we believe
    but my hope is we pause and try to listen more and consider what the other side has to say.

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    Who said "we must all hang together or we will all hang separately.........I think that was his message way back then.
     
    • Slug

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      Which exactly is what coach?
       
      • alcoholica

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        Well the left says they have feelings and that their feelings are more important than liberty or freedom. Oh, and they hate America.
         
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          Probably be the last Independence Day we get to celebrate. Once trump the facist gets his way.
           
        • Swamp Donkey

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          Lots of triggered snowflakes to be expected this weekend.

          Those racist flags will do it every time.
           
          • EyeDocGator

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            That was Benjamin Franklin.
             
            • stephenPE

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              Two sides (probably dozens more) to arguments. Im saying (and have before) no one is listening if everyone is saying
              "hooray for OUR side" all the time. Bridges instead of walls. Discourse instead of disgusting comments to denigrate entire
              countries. The fringe seems to get all the attention and held up as the norm while the 90% watch and shake their collective heads or
              nod in agreement too often.

               
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                Can never go wrong with Buffalo Springfield! good quote Coach!
                 
              • Slug

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                Ok, so what's the other side saying? It's not a hard question corch.
                 
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                  Very respectfully, I've had enough of these nuanced statements that are ridiculously illogical.

                  First, I have listened - very well, I might add - to what the "other side" is saying and has said and it is grossly offensive and detrimental to the future of this country. (And there are historical and current examples to prove that fact.)

                  Secondly, I don't want to build a bridge toward socialism and lawlessness which is what I am hearing and seeing is the direction an increasing amount of people in this country - especially the millenials - are wanting to take us.

                  Sure, the discourse could be more civil on all sides, but I feel we are past the point of unifying in this country because there is a vast difference in the vision of these "Two Americas."

                  So in closing, I hope everyone has a safe and happy Independence Day. But the future of this nation is hanging in the balance.
                   
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                    A nation without borders is not a nation. Build the wall. Enforce legal immigration.
                     
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                      You got that right. So much hate and anger.
                       
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                        And fear. Don’t forget fear.
                         
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                          PE, which side do you think the Founding Fathers would take if they were alive today?
                           
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                          Slave owner rich white men deflection in 3... 2... 1...
                           
                          • stephenPE

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                            Like a steel trap. You have heard fringe groups and whatever was posted on social media and news outlets that get the most hits. You missed my whole point,. There are Americans NOT eat up with "its all their fault America sucks" in the middle and are the vast majority Im talking about.
                             
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                            Fair comment.

                            But the "other side" as you term it, can also have the same viewpoint about your positions.

                            We ALL would be wise to remember that we don't know everything, and that our viewpoints are clouded by our beliefs and the information we seek out. Not all Republican ideas are correct. Nor are Democratic ideas. There are (or should be) very few things/ideas/positions that are absolutes one way or the other.
                             
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                            you are so eat up with my side against your side ...........just put everyone in the box that meets your narrative and sleep fine, Ox. JFC
                             
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                            You are on the other side.
                            You wouldnt do what they do. You wouldnt call half the country nazis, throw bricks or burn flags. However, you defend them to the death and vote for them, putting them in power.

                            My grandfather was like that, lived conservative but voted liberal.

                            Our side vs your side? One side doesnt want to have "us". Us is racist and "xenophobic" after all. https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/w...06/30/harvard-july-4th-parades-are-right-wing

                            Enjoy your 4th.
                             
                            #19 Swamp Donkey, Jul 3, 2018
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                              How utterly judgmental of you. How assumptive to claim you know all that I have heard, listened to, or critiqued. If you'd like to make a coherent comment to persuade me to look at the future of our country from your point of view, I'd definitely read it.


                              I am not "eat up" with anything but love for my country and the members of my family and community. Because of that love, I have educated (listened) to the viewpoints of the liberals and the socialists and completely reject their vision for our nation.
                               

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