HCQ and Z-pac

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  1. Spurdog98

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    So there are stories that these 2 combined have almost a 100% cure rate for the China Virus after 3 controlled studies. Not trying to spread false info but.....thoughts?
     
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      Just thinking that gal in your av has a real nice ass
       
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        I am no DR. but I play one on TV, so as a virus, isn't there really not a cure? Do you not really just treat the symptoms? And aren't a lot of people with this particular virus just told to stay home and given no meds? Just drink plenty of fluids and get rest? That is not to say that some antibiotics and OTC meds can ease the symptoms, but don't viruses just go away instead of being cured?
         
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          Ummmmm.......how about the 1911? ;)
           
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          Oh yeah. Didnt see that.
           
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            Depends on how you define cure. It can be eradicated like small pox. Not sure how an antibiotic and a malaria drug would affect a virus in such a way.
             
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            Laura Ingram brought attention to this Monday. Then Trump talks about it at a press conference a day or two later. I can't remember who, but someone on Fox (could have been Laura) interviewed a doctor in NY and he said since they've been using the combination of both drugs on their WuFlu patients they've had 0 deaths in their hospital.
             
            • alcoholica

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              The info I heard was that in older patients and immune compromised tend to have a response that fills the lungs with fluid. Obvious problem, but the drug is supposed to help remove/prevent the lungs from filling with fluid. I'm assuming the Zpak is a preventative antibiotic for bacterial issues while your body fights the virus.
               
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                There are cures for viral diseases with antiviral medications. Hepatitis C and HIV are examples where medications can completely eradicate the virus. Some Hepatitis C infections go away on their own, maybe 30%, but the majority are life long chronic infections. I don't think HIV ever goes away on its own, but the HIV virus can be eradicated with medications. Hepatitis C and HIV are chronic infections.

                Coronavirus, on the other hand, is an acute infection that is either going to kill you quickly or you are going to survive. If the medications like chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine work then they help your body's own immune system to eliminate the virus. It is like using the antiviral drug Tamiflu to "cure" the influenza (flu) virus. So in a sense whether your own immune system or your own immune system with the help of antiviral medications cause you to recover from the acute infection in the end you no longer have the virus in your body and you are cured.
                 
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                  I'll believe it when CNN tells me Trump should have had this out 2 weeks ago.
                   
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                    Spot on. I can see it being prescribed widespread to help patients get through, esp healthcare workers being subjected to heavy viral loads. Could become a game changer.
                     
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                      Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) is also an anit-inflammatory drug that is use to treat inflammatory autoimmune conditions like rheumatoid arthritis and lupus. It does this by inhibiting a group of proteins that are produced by the immune system that cause an inflammatory response.

                      The problem is that in some people in some cases the immune response can overreact and produce too much inflammation. This leads can lead to an autoimmune response in some people with a certain genetic make-up. Viruses also trigger the immune cascade and in some people a viral infection can trigger an autoimmune response. It does this by overproducing such mediators of the immune response called cytokines. If the response is greatly over-exaggerated and produces what is called a cytokine storm. This cytokine storm can produce a multi organs system dysfunction. This inflammatory response is part of what produces the fluid in the lungs. It is virtually like going down the tubes or down the drain when the cytokine storm is unleashed.

                      In some people the coronavirus can trigger what is called a cytokine storm. This is where hydroxychloroquine comes in. This medication can tamp down the immune system, keep it form overreacting, in those patients who have this overreactive immune response. It sounds counter-intuitive to lessen the immune response in the face of a serious infection because it seem like you want to mount a good strong immune response. You certainly want to mount a good immune response. If you are chronically ill and/or elderly you might have a weakened immune response and the virus can overwhelm your defenses and kill you. On the other hand, an overreactive immune response can also be detrimental. You want your immune response to be appropriate with all mediators of this complex system working in a way to mount an effective response.
                       
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                        Very informative, Thanks for the post.
                         
                        • no1g8r

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                          viruses that are most likely to result in a cytokine storm are the ones that tend to have a high young adult mortality rate, such as the 1918 Spanish flu. Fortunately, that’s not what we’ve been seeing with COVID-19, so fatalities are primarily those with weak immune systems or co-morbidities that overwhelm them, especially the elderly.
                           
                          • Swamp Donkey

                            Swamp Donkey US Flu Deaths 30000-80000yr, Obama h1n1 13,000
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                            This is really going to trigger Asssquash. His Google medical degree does not agree.
                             
                            • alcoholica

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                              Pretty sure you plagiarized me here :)
                               
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                              That may be true, but I believe there are more cases of the virus causing serious illness in young relatively healthy people.
                               
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                              Nope.
                               
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                                And CNN, MSNBC, etc etc will melt down since 25,000 haven't died.
                                 
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                                  I was told tens-- if not hundreds-- of millions if we acted like Chinese Swine Flu Obama, but several million even if we did isolate bc Trump failed and it was too late already.
                                   

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