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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Gatoravatara, Sep 24, 2019.
This is good and all but it's beside the point. Crete said that Dems hadn't done anything since taking the House and I was just pointing out that the House is passing legislation that is dying in the Senate. The rest is just business as usual and not surprising in the least.
It's considerably more than seven, good try though.
That was not legislation. That was scoring political points with bills to please your base, that had zero chance of passing the Senate (or being taken up). I, too, count that as not doing anything. I realize compromise has become a dirty word, but when Congress is divided, or of a party different from the Prez, the objective should always be to find things all can agree on needs to be done, with the expectation of both sides having to give up something. Instead all we have is both sides constantly posturing to score political points in the hope of winning the next election. If one side doesn't control the Congress and the White House, very little gets done.
You may not like the legislation, just as I didn't like the legislation prior to 2018, but that doesn't mean it's not legislation. McConnell could try to work with Dems on these bills to find compromise, he's not trying. He's an obstructionist, plain and simple.
Whether I like the legislation or not is irrelevant. It's whether something can pass both houses. Those bills you highlighted are all non-starters with a Republican Senate - there is no way to compromise. Similarly, the Senate could choose to pass a bunch of bills that would be non-starters with a Dem house (and possibly have for all I know). Do you honestly believe Nancy Pelosi would take up some Senate bill on an issue championed by conservatives (unless of course there were political points to be scored)? Feel free to view McConnell as an obstructionist, but that's a crowded group on that hill; and a bi-partisan one. Do you think Harry Reid was any different? Or Chuck Schumer will be if the Dems recapture the Senate, but lose the House? You are too smart to be that naive.
It isnt legislation until it passes the senate. Your merry band of now admittedly communist radicals have to compromise if they want anything.
You're approaching this like the Senate can't do anything about the bills proposed in the House but that's not how the legislative process works. The Senate could take up the bills proposed in the House and go through the normal legislative process of holding hearings and amending the bill to their liking. Sure, it would have to go back to the House for review but this is how you would eventually get to a point where both parties are unhappy but willing to accept the bill and we all celebrate bipartisanship. Or a poison pill gets added to the bill and it doesn't pass which happens all the time. None of that is happening in the Senate because of MoscowMitch is an obstructionist. There have always been levels of obstruction in the legislative process to include Reid and maybe it's recency bias but it feels like it's been exceptionally worse over this last decade.
He just decided to put it all out there in the public. All he had to say is that he would encourage them to look into corruption to let the cons keep trying to twist the narrative but he just couldn't do it. This man imploding and watching cons twist themselves into knots trying to defend it is so glorious.
He can say whatever the hell he wants to the press. Its not a crime.
You keep talking about how things ought to be and I keep telling you how it is. And I am very familiar with how legislation is enacted. I have been up there many times and will be back in February. If you think McConnell is somehow different than his predecessors (or house counterparts) than you haven't been paying attention for very long. And by long, i mean a lot longer than a decade.
Mookie doesn't care or want to learn. He just wants to keep some kind of constant narrative going negative toward Trump and republicans. Mueller played out so now we have another "bombshell" which is also a farce but it will give them a few more months to keep things in a negative light so the lefties don't have to bring salient issues front and center. Issues that the American public doesn't agree with leftist solutions.
The bleeding of the Republican party continues...
What's your position on late term abortion Mookster?
Yeah keep wishing
Kinda sucks, huh? Lets see, how many times did Trump try to get something done about the budget, immigration and healthcare? Hundreds to refresh your memory...and not stupid Communist stuff either, real legit stuff. The Dems won't even move on the N. America trade deal because they know it's Trumps deal....so instead they bring up impeachment going into a UN meeting where Trump was going to save us even more money and just ahead of the most important China trade talks where Trump had just gained all sorts of leverage.... Yep them soon to be disgraced Dems are real team players with a do it for America team spirit....the worst part is they KNOW they can't impeach Trump because they will NEVER get 2/3 vote in the Senate....And their not going to be able to win an election either.....ho my goodness did you see how much the RNC brought in in the last 2 weeks??? More than Obammy did in his whole campaign and that's just the last 2 weeks.... Mook....America be pissed about right now. I wouldn't let anyone know you support this...you might be surprised who doesn't(85%) of voters.
I'd just love to have them cite the statute that Trump has broken. They can't because there isn't one. They think they can impeach him on his rhetoric. That isn't going to happen just like Russian collusion was BS so is this.
Step two is when dear sweet (I hope she was married to a plastic surgeon) Nancy calls a big press conference and gripes because none of those issues have been done, then blames it on the ineptitude of Trump and the republicans.
They can't impeach because they can't get 2/3 votes on the Senate floor
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