Interesting observations from the APA meeting

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  1. DocZaius

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      Did I miss the drug to calm overstimulated brains? I need that name ... I need ... I need.
       
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      Thanks for posting this. What do you suppose made Dr. Anonymous so effective in reaching his goals..
       
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      It's more than fitting that the American Psychiatric Association is meeting in San Francisco.
       
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        Anyone who doesn't believe in the politicization of American medicine only has to look as far as the American Psychiatric Association. And it doesn't stop there.
         
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          That is the most eye-catching part of the article: this a conference of medical professionals and there are 3x more discussions on climate change than on best practices for ADHD prescriptions.

          Setting aside whether you agree or disagree about climate change...it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the practice of psychiatry.
           
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            Seriously though, how many politically conservative psychiatrists are there? 10? 12?
             
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              Sure it does.

              You have to be insane to believe in that religion.
               
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                Which religion, climate change? Or psychiatry?
                 
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                  Well it might plenty of folks are so triggered by climate change that they are irrational and might need help. How best to assist them to live in the real world would be a good topic, this is probably not the idea of any of them.
                   
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                    The article shows objective evidence why (for me) I don't trust these doctors.
                     
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                      This article, written by a "social psychologist", says that the ratio of liberal:conservative psychologists is something like 12:1, over 92%. The article where he says this is a decent read, where he questions the typical liberal American psychologist view that "conservatism is a flaw", and talks about how his experiences in China reflect that it is cultural, that the more connected, with "tight, binding ties", "through churches, small towns, fraternities, and the military", the more likely people are to be conservative.

                      After 50 years of explaining conservatism as flaw, new study suggests it's cultural | SPSP
                       
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                        Kev's the type that poo-poos the power of the full moon to dishevel mental equanimity.
                        (My most passionate girlfriend was aroused by the full moon -- she liked to get tide up.)
                         
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                          Some people have mental illnesses that need to be stabilized with prescription medications. There is no doubt about that. They need a psychiatrist to write the prescription because psychologists do not have the training or the legal authority to write prescriptions. The psychologists are pressuring state legislatures to grant them that authority and this would be a mistake.

                          I am not degrading the work that a good psychologist can do. Having an insightful person who is not emotionally invested who can listen to you voice your problems can be very helpful. In certain situations so-called talk therapy is more beneficial than taking anti-psychotic medications which also usually have a lot of side effects. What is bad is that often a person only needs one or at most two psych meds but they end up being on three, four, five or even more. Tragically some people are even prescribed one medication to treat the side effects of another medication that they are on. Poly-pharmacy is widespread. If you are on this many meds a lot of time your problem is greater than any medication is going to fix.

                          A person with a psychosis (i.e. schizophrenia) needs medication to stabilize them. A person with a neurosis (i.e. run- of-the-mill depression who is not suicidal) maybe needs medication short-term, but often can benefit from counseling without going on medications.

                          A big problem is trying to find a competent therapist. There are a lot of wackos out there. In some places almost anyone can bill themselves as a therapist and many present questionable credentials. Watch out.
                           
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                            That was an awesome read.
                            No doubt some meds have done wonders for people. That's a good thing. And I have no problem with therapy. As a study in the efficacy of therapy once concluded: "Counsiling works for those people that it works".
                            But
                            1) Psychology IS a pseudo science. Somewhere between astronomy and astrology. Anyhthing that their "scientist say" should be looked at with a jaundiced eye. They've done plenty of harm in the past, present and will continue in the future.
                            2) Even more than real medicine they are pawns of big pharma.
                            3) Psychiatrists have a very low bar for success. As long as your patient doesn't commit suicide their making "great progress". So they can prescribe meds for life. Nothing is better than a repeat customer. And why not prescribe the meds with the biggest kickback or hottest sales girl.
                            4) Is anybody surprised that Psychiatry is woke? They deal in FEELINGS. Psychiatry deciding what is and is not (homosexuality, transgender-laity) a psychopatholgy is opinion. The opinion of a doubly liberal group think.
                             
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                              What a ****ing joke!
                               
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                                Yeah. I have no idea how many people Ive sent to counseling. With one of our judges it was just a prerequisite to sending an DUI 5th offense (with multiple victims) or major drug trafficker to prison.

                                It never worked. I could count on one hand how many even made it a year without re-offending, pissing positive, or otherwise landing themselves behind bars.

                                Such a tremendous waste of taxpayer money.

                                Which is also why some of these drugs are 4000% more expensive than they should be, taxpayer money.
                                 
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                                I wouldn't expect forced counseling to work. It's one of those stupid things that somehow got made part of the equation. Like when large companies make the employees go to sensitivity training. It makes the counselors happy $$$ and most importantly it makes the corp lawyers happy.
                                Apparently it works for people that seek counseling, want to find the root of their problem, want to change AND talking helps them. Like the study says "it works for the people it works for.
                                 
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                                  Oh, the bad guys, their mamas and the defense attorneys all cry a river of tears about how he is a good boy and just got on that XXX drug.

                                  Of course they weren't looking for counseling the day before they got arrested.
                                   
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                                    And for those that don't really understand themselves, or lack some experiences. If you understand yourself counselling won't make much difference and is just a waste. Not to mention if you are happy as you are nothing is changing.
                                     

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