Mean lady (Michelle Carter) denied parole

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    Maybe she's a non-violent criminal, maybe, but isn't there some law about inciting violence? Isn't suicide violence?:scratchhead: Not sure if that crime usually gets 15 months in jail or not though...
     
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    I have no problem letting her rot.
     
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        good one......i finally clicked on it.........This strikes a nerve with me. She helped kill a young sad kid..........
        Knowing that I had done something like that would kill me........what a demented human being...........
         
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          That was brilliant. Sorry I can only give you one like.

          This may be controversial, but I don’t believe she should be in jail. She certainly seems like a miserable human being, and there is probably a good civil suit there, but I just don’t see where it was a criminal act. It may also be I just don’t know enough about the case.
           
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            I agree. I watched the Dateline special on the case, and while her conversations with him were pretty vile, she doesn't deserve the prison time she got. Her legal team really screwed up in a couple of ways. The main one was electing a bench trial vs a jury trial. After watching the special I think she would have walked away scott free if she had a jury trial. There was also more than reasonable doubt because there was no proof she actually told him to get back into the car. The judge who sentenced her was troubled and inferred quite a bit to convict her.

            The kid who killed himself was pretty troubled, he had tried to kill himself before several times.

            All in all it's a sad story for all concerned.
             
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              I call b.s. on any first amendment claim. She had the right not to talk to this guy if she wasn't either going to help prevent a suicide directly or refer him to one of the many places where help is offered.

              15 months was a gift.
               
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                I thought I read that she actively prevented and dissuaded others from helping him. At that point she is an active participant in his death.
                 
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                  Suicide remains a crime in all states but Oregon.(??)
                  Should she be prosecuted as an accessory? aiding and abetting.
                  Obviously this guy was a disturbed ruminator. Should there be a legal requirement that having this extensive knowledge that life meant nothing to him, some legal obligation for his mental condition must be reported to potential interventionists.
                  What if at the last, this guy got a gun and decided to punish others for his misery.
                  Remember, this guy couldn't be dissuaded from suicide because he's judging others' reasons why life is worth living is bogus. So, if he thinks your reasons for living are wrong, how acceptable could it flip to him taking your life.

                  The storm track of killing trances can't reliably be predicted. Many a mass shooting had a manifesto filled with "back-against-the-wall" hopelessness generated by life ain't worth living rumination. Suicide is the mass killer's fall-back success occurrence. Even if his dementia relishes hearing about himself, his life is over for him.
                   
                  #10 rogdochar, Sep 22, 2019
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                  There was zero firsthand evidence from the suicide, only a conversation that happened with a friend later on where she said she told him to get back in. I thought the evidence was so thin a recent law school grad could have convinced a jury of reasonable doubt. She only got a little over a year, so the parole denial is not a huge loss. It's a sad case for all involved, he was suicidal and she was pretty messed up too.
                   
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                    I read their text exchanges. He was fatalistic but he also presented hints that he did not want to commit suicide i.e. he texted her that the thought of how his parents and sisters would be hurt and depressed by him killing himself, that prevented him from killing himself yesterday. Michelle Carter texted how she would attend to his parents and sisters to keep them from feeling sad i.e. so go ahead and do it. She repeatedly pressed him to "do it" that day. When they texted the next day, she pressed him to "do it" this day. etc. etc. It appears that she was the only person he cared about not disappointing and she made his committing suicide the only way she would not be disappointed. What a toxic mind she owns.
                    She made me remember how female killers resort mostly to poison to kill. This girl remains poisonous.

                    She should have shown those texts to police; they at least have hostage negotiators and he was a hostage to compulsive suicide ideation.
                     
                    #12 rogdochar, Sep 23, 2019
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                    Evidently, he was annoying here. Instead of breaking it off with him or even trying to refer him to somewhere he could get help, she decided if he did kill himself, she would be rid of him for good. So her actions were very selfish and self-serving.
                     
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