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This offense should have won a championship
I've been holding out hope for alot of things. Hell,I've been hoping penis enlargement surgery becoming a thing since I can remember. .
While that may be true, this isn't peewee league. You don't pay someone 6 mil a year to let the player's feelings dictate staffing decisions.
Yeah, I remember hearing Saban say the same thing about that. About how he has meetings with his players about their feelings and how things should be done, particularly on field stupidity that cost you a ball game and maybe a shot at the playoffs. I couldn't actually find the tape on that but if someone else would like to post a vid of him saying that in a press conference feel free.Totally with you on Grantham - completely. Not firing him and English at this point is purely bad management. Players don't get a vote in staff decisions. When it comes to other players and how the types of situations like the one Wilson was involved in (strictly on the field stupidity) I think the players and their judgment about things needs to be listened to or you risk alienating them. It's not like we need that extra drag on our middle tier recruiting.
Good god man, you really do have a problem with basic comprehension. I didn't say any pumps are defending him NOW. I said in a few months when the dust settles and its clear he ain't going anywhere, their narrative will shift from he's already fired/he should be fired to the standard, "well tell me who better was available?" "Mullen knows alot more about football than any of y'all", "turns out it was simply poor players", "the virus was the real cause of the defensive decline", etc.
You know how I know this? History. It's the same story at the end of each season and beginning of each off-season every single year under zook, muschamp, mac and now dorky dan. And as demonstrated by your post above, you've already deployed the "trust the coaches, fans don't know jack" excuse so you're actually ahead of schedule. Y'all could at least try and update the playbook periodically though.
Yeah, I remember hearing Saban say the same thing about that. About how he has meetings with his players about their feelings and how things should be done, particularly on field stupidity that cost you a ball game and maybe a shot at the playoffs. I couldn't actually find the tape on that but if someone else would like to post a vid of him saying that in a press conference feel free.
ok, humor me here. Here's a list of actual winners - spurrier, urbs, saban, dabo.Totally with you on Grantham - completely. Not firing him and English at this point is purely bad management. Players don't get a vote in staff decisions. When it comes to other players and how the types of situations like the one Wilson was involved in (strictly on the field stupidity) I think the players and their judgment about things needs to be listened to or you risk alienating them. It's not like we need that extra drag on our middle tier recruiting.
The fact remains that Wilson should have already been benched for performance reasons alone. If you don't have the balls to do that (and Mullen does not), the shoe incident would have given you proper cover to do so. However, Mullen actually REWARDED Wilson for it, and allowed him to have one of the worst games ever by a UF DB.ok, humor me here. Here's a list of actual winners - spurrier, urbs, saban, dabo.
Ask yourself the following question, would any of those 4 coaches, if presented with the wilson problem on their watch under the same circumstances, do nothing during the game, make excuses for him after, then trot him out as team captain the following week against the top team in the country?
The player's can say what they want, if you start letting them dictate the way it is, you have failed as an HC.
Ask yourself the following question, would any of those 4 coaches, if presented with the wilson problem on their watch under the same circumstances, do nothing during the game, make excuses for him after, then trot him out as team captain the following week against the top team in the country?
Apples and oranges. All of those players could actually play. Wilson may be the worse defensive player we've got.Yes.
Urbs had a guy at captain who was arrested for felony B&E the week before LSU in 2007.
Urbs "stripped him of captain" (it took literally a felony charge), but he damn sure played. He also probably murdered his wife, but that was much later and I digress. I'm betting you remember at least part of the story, but in case you don't.
Football vs LSU on 10/6/2007 - Box Score - Florida Gators
2007 Florida Gators football team - Wikipedia
There's plenty of incidences of Saban doing similar things, especially with legal trouble. I don't pay enough attention to Clemson, but I'd imagine it is the same with him.
From a coaching perspective it's a pretty terrible situation to have a player who is a downgrade at a position going into Bama. The horrifying thought is that there is no one better than the **** show that was Wilson this year. (Chew on that for a minute and lose all hope.)
In a situation like this one the coach piling on when the guy that you really have no choice but to play (apparently) has been publicly roasted by both the fan base and parts of the media probably wouldn't have any positive effect on the team. I remember someone painting "Thanks, Dallas Baker" on the 34th street wall after the UT game. The team painted over "we are all a team" or something similar.
Coaches, even the winners, do care about how their decisions play in the locker room. I'm not saying I like it, but I do understand the thinking. I believe I'm on the record as wanting to put Wilson on Grantham's lap and launch them both from a trebuchet.
You didnt answer the question, you created a different scenario, then tried to pawn it off as the same. Ox implied this in his response but I'll state it clearly. I didnt ask about a player involved in an off field incident. I also didnt ask about a couple of guys whom coaches move heaven and earth to keep on the field because they are big time play makers. I asked you about a guy who has sucked like a black hole all season, and who conducted himself on the field in a manner that caused us to lose a game we likely would have won otherwise, not merely by not being able to make a play, but by selfish and immature behavior in between the whistles that negated a game defining play and gave the opposition a final chance to win.Yes.
Urbs had a guy at captain who was arrested for felony B&E the week before LSU in 2007.
Urbs "stripped him of captain" (it took literally a felony charge), but he damn sure played. He also probably murdered his wife, but that was much later and I digress. I'm betting you remember at least part of the story, but in case you don't.
Football vs LSU on 10/6/2007 - Box Score - Florida Gators
2007 Florida Gators football team - Wikipedia
There's plenty of incidences of Saban doing similar things, especially with legal trouble. I don't pay enough attention to Clemson, but I'd imagine it is the same with him.
From a coaching perspective it's a pretty terrible situation to have a player who is a downgrade at a position going into Bama. The horrifying thought is that there is no one better than the **** show that was Wilson this year. (Chew on that for a minute and lose all hope.)
In a situation like this one the coach piling on when the guy that you really have no choice but to play (apparently) has been publicly roasted by both the fan base and parts of the media probably wouldn't have any positive effect on the team. I remember someone painting "Thanks, Dallas Baker" on the 34th street wall after the UT game. The team painted over "we are all a team" or something similar.
Coaches, even the winners, do care about how their decisions play in the locker room. I'm not saying I like it, but I do understand the thinking. I believe I'm on the record as wanting to put Wilson on Grantham's lap and launch them both from a trebuchet.
Hell, all of those guys would have benched Wilson mid-season for performance reasons alone, and not even given him a chance to be an idiot with a shoe.Again, ill ask the question. Name me of the 4 previous coaches mentioned, which one would make excuses for said players in-game behavior, fail to discipline him, and trot him out as the team captain the following week in a championship game. Would spurrier make excuses in the post game presser? Would saban or Urbs? Would Dabo make fail to hold him accountable? Would Spurrier name him team captain the following week?
Agreed. After Marco made that white boy with like 3 catches in his career look like nuke Hopkins, he should have never seen the field again.Hell, all of those guys would have benched Wilson mid-season for performance reasons alone, and not even given him a chance to be an idiot with a shoe.
Cross your fingers peeps!