Netanyahu Blowing things

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  1. Gatoravatara

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    "Washington (CNN)White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough says the United States shouldn't wade into Israeli politics -- even if the country's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, plans to weigh in on American policies.

    His comments come days after House Speaker John Boehner announced that Netanyahu will address Congress in March, two weeks ahead of an Israeli election -- a move that caught President Barack Obama's administration by surprise.
    READ: Netanyahu snub takes relations with White House to a new low
    Netanyahu is expected to lobby Congress to approve tough new sanctions on Iran. Obama has opposed those sanctions, saying he needs more time to hash out a deal to end Iran's nuclear program and that new sanctions would put those talks at risk.
    McDonough said Obama and Netanyahu won't meet during that trip.
    "We ought not get involved in their politics. That's why the President thinks it doesn't make any sense for us to meet with the prime minister two weeks before his election," McDonough said during an appearance Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union."
    Still, McDonough sought to downplay the notion of a rift between the two countries, noting that Israel is the United States' most important ally in the Middle East
    "This is something that ought to be, and will continue to be, as far as we're concerned, above partisan politics," he said.
    Rep. Adam Schiff, D-California, said on "State of the Union" that the Netanyahu invitation is "a terrible mistake by the speaker," and said he agreed with McDonough's stance.
    "For us to extend an invitation two weeks before the Israeli election gives the Israelis the impression we're meddling in their election," he said."


    http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/25/politics/mcdonough-obama-netanyahu/
     
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    **** him.
     
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    I agree. In fact ***k the entire White House administration. Where is James Taylor when you need him?
     
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    You are taking Netanyahu's side? Why should a foreign leader be telling us what to do?
     
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    When did he get the "I'm telling you what to do" button? Would you mind telling me what's the problem with allowing another head of state addressing Congress? You must have anti-semite tendencies. Better question would be WTF is wrong with our POTUS by snubbing a visit by an allied head of state?
     
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      Obama seems to have no problem with Iran developing nuclear weapons. But Israel is the stated primary target of those weapons so they do have a vested interest.
       
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      Even people on FOX and the Jerusalem Post dont agree with you. Are they anti-semites as well? Speaking to Congress is one thing. Lecturing the President and speaking against our policy two weeks before your election is another. Netanyahu is down in the polls; this is a nakedly political move. Why should Obama meet with him? He already knows how he feels and we are going in a different direction. Should the French or the Brits or Putin speak to Congress and tell us how we are doing things wrong and what we should do?
       
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      If that is the way they feel they should attack Iran and deal with the fallout. They have a great military-thanks to us. Dont try to get us involved. We have decided to go in a different direction. If they dont like it, it is not our problem. But to come over here to lecture us that we are wrong, he can do that in Israel. Mossad is not even on the same page with him. Perhaps he can convince them first before he comes here to tell us what to do. But he might not be PM for long if the polls are to be believed. You expect the President to meet with him, even thought he knows that Netanyahu is going to lecture him about how his policy is wrong?
       
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      That is not correct. Apparently Kerry either puposely or innocently misinterpreted what the head of Mssad said.

      http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Mo...obbying-against-stiffer-Iran-sanctions-388616
       
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      Of course Mossad had to say that. Just like Emmitt had to take back his tweet. Which Emmitt did you believe?


      First
      "Report: Mossad broke rank with Netanyahu, warned U.S. against Iran sanctions Israeli intelligence agency told Obama administrations and U.S. senators that Iran sanctions would collapse nuclear talks, Bloomberg reports."

      In a statement issued by the Prime Minister's Office, Pardo noted that he did meet with a delegation of senators on January 19, at their request, and with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's approval.

      Then
      "Contrary to what has been reported, the Head of the Mossad did not say that he opposes imposing additional sanctions on Iran, " read the statement. Rather, "the Head of the Mossad emphasized in the meeting that the exceptional effectiveness of the sanctions imposed on Iran in recent years are what brought Iran to the negotiating table."
       
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      Are these the anti-semites you are referring to?

      "“Netanyahu is destroying our strategic relations with the United States for an election speech,” Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid said at a cultural event in Modi’in. “The strategic relationship with the United States is important to Israel’s security and this damage will take time to repair.”

      Lapid told the crowd that he spoke with senior figures in the United States over the weekend and they are shocked by Netanyahu’s behavior.

      “Netanyahu knows the relationship with the United States. He knows the protocol in the international arena,” he said. “If he decided to breach all of that for a speech to Congress two weeks before the elections, then it can only be for one reason: He believes it will help him in the elections in Israel even if the cost is damaging our strategic relations with the United States.”

      Hatnua head Tzipi Livni said Netanyahu was aware that his repeated disputes with the administration of US President Barack Obama harmed Israel, because he told her so on occasions when he asked her to speak to the Americans and repair damage.

      “The US stands as a wall that stops war crimes prosecutions at the ICC against IDF soldiers for acts that they did not commit, so our relations with America are essential for our security,” the former justice minister said at a cultural event in Bat Yam.

      “Netanyahu is damaging the relations with our strategic ally, which uses its veto against all UN Security Council decisions that are against Israel.”

      Livni said a responsible prime minister would know how to work with every US president and preserve Israel’s most important interests.

      “Netanyahu likes to speak in English and hear applause, but when it comes at the expense of relations with our most important ally, that helps us protect our soldiers and our security, this demonstrates a severe lack of responsibility,” Livni said.

      Meretz leader Zehava Gal-On called on State Comptroller Yosef Shapira to investigate Netanyahu’s improper use of Israel’s embassy in Washington surrounding the scheduling of his March 3 address to Congress.

      “The state comptroller should check whether Netanyahu has used the Israeli Embassy in Washington in a prohibited way to advance political and party interests and not for state reasons,” Gal-On stated.

      Gal-On said the suspicion of impropriety arises not only because of the timing of Netanyahu’s scheduled speech some two weeks before the Israeli election, but also because of the reports that the embassy in the US capital dealt with officials in Congress behind the back of the Obama administration in order to facilitate the speech.

      Koolanu member and Israel’s former ambassador in Washington Michael Oren, meanwhile, called for Netanyahu to cancel the planned address.

      “The behavior over the last few days created the impression of a cynical political move, and it could hurt our attempts to act against Iran,” Oren said."

      http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Pol...-speech-388777
       
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      I guess these guys are anti-semites too.

      "Fox News' Shep Smith and Chris Wallace lashed out at Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Friday following Wednesday's announcement that he would meet with Congress about Iran instead of President Obama. "I'm shocked," Wallace said, calling the move "wicked." Wallace noted that the Israeli ambassador had met with John Kerry earlier in the week and apparently didn't mention anything about the trip.
      "For Netanyahu to do something that is going to be seen as a deliberate and really pretty egregious snub of Obama when Obama is going to be in power for the next year and three quarters would seem to me to be a very risky political strategy."
      Republicans are expected to use the February visit to push for more sanctions on Iran.Obama and congressional Republicans have been at odds over Iran and Netanyahu's snub is seen as a rejection of Obama's wishes.
      Smith noted that in recent years, Israel has consistently rebuked U.S. efforts to make a two-state solution work.
      "George Bush used to say "you must stop the expansion of the the settlements," so what does Israel do? They move on with expanding the settlements. This president says, "you gotta stop expanding the settlements," and they just keep expanding the settlements."
      "It seems like they think we don’t pay attention and that we’re just a bunch of complete morons," he said.
      Watch the exchange in the video above.
       
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      So did you add this quote to bolster what I said? :dunno: And the Emmit reference is not exactly a great analogy. We heard Kerry's version of what Mossad said. I'll take the word of the guy himself.

      That said, I'm not a big Netanyau fan but I understand his position. His country is surrounded and outnumbered by countries who have stated outright that their main goal is the complete destruction of Israel. Chief among those countries is Iran that is dead set on developing a nuclear weapon. He sees the US placing ultimatums on Iran then continually backing off thus letting them continue their nuclear development program. He's doing what he believes he has to do to protect his country and doesn't seem to mind who he pisses off in the meantime. Whether his strategy will help or hurt remains to be seen.
       
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      I am not commenting on Netanyahu's position. Just his rudeness. I am not saying Israel should not be paranoid, because they live in a dangerous neighborhood. I am sympathetic to that. But we give Israel money and weapons and then their leader spits in our face. To go to another country and lecture the leader on what they should do to bolster their own election prospects is not kosher. What if Obama or any other president went to Israel and lectured the Israelis on what they should do. I dont think any leader of any country should tell us what to do or try to interfere with our policy- especially in our country. Even people in his country are saying that.
       
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      So you think that because FOX & a Jerusalem newspaper don't like it I shouldn't either? This may seem strange to you, but I really don't give 2 shats what they think. I prefer to form my own opinions, not simply mimic others. Perhaps you should consider doing the same.
       
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      Israel is literally ground zero in Obama's plan to appease Iran by letting them continue to develop nuclear weapons. And it is clear that Obama doesn't want anyone -- the Congress, the media, or foreign leaders to watch while this very bad deal is arranged.

      But notice there is no reduction in Iranian threats against both Israel and the "Great Satan".
       
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      This has to be false then, because we've all been lectured by you how Fox News always makes things up. Glad that's settled.
       
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      Well Gee someone is invited to speak to congress and you accept. You don't know what he might say and of course you assume what it might be. Now the president is making a bad deal and allowing Iran to play him. He refuses to take any advice from others so they try to use their authority to get his attention. Seems fine to me. Now if his speech is insulting that will be something to consider, if it is only his country's opinion on the world that will be fine with me. Judge only after you have the facts assumptions, well everyone knows what they do.
       
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      Except other news outlets reported it too. Do you think that they and multiple Israeli news outlets are wrong as well? I am amazed how some conservative will support foreign leaders over our own leader. I remember a while back when some conservatives where saying that they wished Obama was more like Putin and how Putin was a real leader. Well now his country is in the sh!tter. I will take our side over any foreigner side any day, no matter who is in charge. Its one thing to disagree with US policy; its another to come in front of Congress and lecture Americans what they should do and how we are doing things wrong. Netanyahu should worry about Israel and not get involved with our affairs. Should Obama go to the Knesset and lecture Israel about the settlements? They already know how we feel about it and disagree with us. This is exactly the same thing.
       
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      No you dont have to accept. You can say you are busy trying to get reelected. And yes we know what he is going to say. He is going to lecture us about Iran and how we should it for them. Its in all the papers and media outlets. He is doing this because his party is behind in the polls and he wants to get reelected in 2 weeks.

      Its fine for you to have that opinion and lecture the president. You are an American. Netanyahu, on the other hand is an Israeli representing Israeli interests. If he wants to have that opinion in Israel or the UN, fine. But don't come and lecture us about what we should do on our home turf- especially if we are giving you money and weapons.
       

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