No collusion?

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  1. neteng

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    It isn't a whatever. Polling data is NOT voting data nor election data. It is just friggin polling data. I really grow tired of your types who blame Hillary Clinton losing on 'Russian Collusion' because you actually think people were swayed by stupid adds on facebook instead of the friggin obvious reason people voted for Trump.

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    • NOLAGATOR

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      No laws were broken.

      Except by Hillary...why don't you care about those? We prosecute Military Heroes for far less.

      An Ambassador was killed under Obama and Hillary but you worry about POLLING DATA?

      The DNC Paid for this report ..where is your outrage?
       
      • Swamp Donkey

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        there is clear evidence of collusion between a campaign and Ukraine Russian and European intelligence agencies to lie to the American people and affect an election.
         
        • AlexDaGator

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          This is the kind of weak stuff Politigator posts that is unworthy of Lboy.

          Let me walk you through this.

          Manafort lobbied for some uber rich Ukrainians who were on the pro-Russia side of the Ukrainian political spectrum. They paid him millions, but that dried up. They still owed him millions.

          Manafort becomes Trump's campaign chair. If Trump wins the election, this could raise Manafort's profile and make him more valuable so maybe the Ukrainians make good on what they owe him.

          Everybody knows Hillary is going to crush Trump. He has no chance. None at all, right? So the Ukrainians don't give a rat's ass about Manafort's new gig.

          So Manafort sends them some polling data indicating that Trump is doing better than CNN, MSNBC, the NYT, WaPo, Coach, and Lboy think he's doing. "My boy might just pull this off and if he does, you're going to want to be on my good side".

          Does that scenario make sense to you? If you apply Occam's Razor does this make more or less sense than Trump conspiring with Russian intelligence to hack the DNC emails, leak them to wikileaks to leak them to the press, and have some bots and trolls post crazy sh!t online so he could steal the election from Hillary?

          From all appearances, Manafort is a slime ball (just like all those political operatives, including his partner in slime, Podesta).

          These ass holes are influence peddlers. It's how they make a living. Fcuk 'em.

          Anyway.

          Please explain using rational logic how any of this adds up to a criminal conspiracy between Trump and the Kremlin.

          (and pardon my salty language)


          Alex.
           
          • neteng

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            It doesnt. It was a look here but dont look there manuever only meant to distract the public from what really happened. What really happened? Old administration wire tapped Trump campaign. Hillary sent classified documents on a private unclass server.
             
            • itsgr82bag8r

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              :bwahaha:

              How embarrassing.
               
              • Politigator

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                Sure, there's an explanation. There is always an explanation.
                 
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                  Dick Morris and James Carville come to mind.
                   
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                  Duplicate of my thread


                  QUOTE="Politigator, post: 838476, member: 2214"]I didn't see any threads about collusion in title.[/QUOTE]

                  I love this! Nothing like two lefties arguing over who more deserves the conservative ass kicking coming their way for posting stupid **** from Fake News sources on this board! Keep it up boys!
                   
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                  That’s profound and insightful. Thanks.
                   
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                  False dirt. Lying dirt. Conspiracy dirt.
                   
                  • Gator By Marriage

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                    Help me out if you would. What exactly is “illegal collusion?” Any remote idea where it might be in the US Code? I know we have several lawyers on GC, if any of you happen to know, feel free to weigh in. Also what is the crime in sharing data w/ the Russkies? (Or anyone else for that matter) If it’s not classified or someone else’s proprietary info, what’s the big deal?
                     
                  • Politigator

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                    How many times has trump said no collusion? If there is no problem working with a foreign country to alter an election, then why continually deny it?
                     
                  • Concrete Helmet

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                    That's alright.....Mueller has been duplicating a whole lot of nothing for the last 2 years....
                     
                    • Gator By Marriage

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                      You are dodging my question. I never once mentioned Trump. You brought up “illegal collusion.” I would like to know what it is, because I have no idea. Do you?
                       
                    • Politigator

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                      No I didn't. Go back and reread the thread.
                       
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                      You didn’t? Was someone posting under you’re name? Post #5 you wrote “No illegal collusion isn’t the same thing as no collusion.” So, what’s “illegal collusion?” I have been hearing for 2 years that Trump and/or his campaign somehow broke the law and collided with Russia. That would certainly imply the collusion was illegal. If you don’t know, just say so and I’ll let it drop.
                       
                    • Politigator

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                      My intent was to show that trumps "no collusion" claims appear to be false, now more than ever. I said nothing about illegality (I'm not a lawyer). Somebody asked me what trump did that was illegal. I said "no collusion". I didn't say "no illegal collusion".

                      This seems like a fairly reasonable summary. Collusion per se isn't a crime. But it is a term that seems to have been adopted by the press that could cover any number of crimes.

                      What Is Collusion? Is It Even a Crime?

                      The fact that so many here think it is ok to work with an foreign adversary to tamper with our elections- whether or not specifically legal or not, shows how far republicans have fallen. Ronald Reagan turns in his grave.
                       
                    • Tay Bang

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                      How specifically did Trump work with a foreign adversary to tamper with our elections? Again, a simple question.
                       
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                        I’m not sure how one jumps from sharing data to tampering. Tampering, which actually is a crime, is a far cry from anything I have heard any Russians did. Did the they try to sow disinformation? Absolutely. Did they hack the Podesta’s email? Sure looks like it. (Though it does not appear they created forgeries. The real messages were damaging enough.) But tampering? No. There is no evidence to show they manipulated voting machines or the counting of votes. As for Trump’s claims, until it can be shown he knew what was happening, I give him the same presumption of innocence I give everyone else. As for the Mueller inv. I can’t help but feel it’s going to turn out to not show any crimes were actually committed in connection with the election.
                         

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