No more absentee balloting?

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  1. GatorAlways

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    Trump advocating for the end of vote by mail. Does he realize that most absentee ballots are mailed in?

    Perhaps we should make everyone vote in person - at their designated local polling place, with ID. Only on Election Day.

    No more absentee ballots, no more early voting. No structural advantages for any party.

    It will make for a very secure election.
     
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    More from Trump.

     
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    Reports of vote-by-mail ballots undelivered, tossed aside by postal workers - New Jersey Globe

    "But some officials are grumbling that ballots are not being delivered, and in some cases, postal workers simply leaving stacks of ballots in apartment building lobbies rather than placing them in the mailboxes of voters."

    'Three large tubs': Reports of missing absentee ballots pile up

    Very good opinion piece...that you won't read....

    Just say no to voting by mail | MinnPost

    How more than 80 election ballots mysteriously landed at one address in San Pedro – Daily Breeze

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    "Authorities are investigating the story behind more than 80 unused ballots — all with different names but all addressed to the same single-unit apartment — that landed at their mailboxes."

    And even you libs were screaming about it.....when it benefited you.....

    More evidence piles up in North Carolina election fraud scandal

    "Harris beat Democrat Dan McCready by roughly 900 votes on Election Day. But those results have been marred by explosive allegations that an operative working for the Harris campaign collected, tampered with or even destroyed absentee ballots. The alleged plot is now the subject of a state inquiry; the findings of the state investigation will be presented at the hearing next month."


    It doesn't take much critical thinking to realize that total mail in voting will experience a HUGE amount of voter fraud and is ripe for stealing elections. The use of absentee ballots should be limited to Americans abroad and those who have a specific need for one. Period.
     
    • GatorAlways

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      Wait - everything you posted talked about the insecurity of absentee ballots.

      This is completely at odds with your bolded statement above. So, which is it?

      If it's insecure, it would not be allowed at all. Otherwise, it is ripe for stealing elections,a s you stated above.
       
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      I’m all for a one day election. Absentee ballots should be requested to the supervisor of elections with a valid excuse (I.e. I’m fighting terrorism in Iraq). ID’s should be required. If an absentee ballot is granted, their name is stricken from Election Day rolls. Voter rolls should be purged for deaths every month, weekly in the 8 weeks prior to the election, daily the 7 days prior.
       
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        No matter who wins the election the other side will believe the election was stolen and will refuse to recognize the President (whomever) as being legitimate. The underlying problem is the fact that democracy is a poor form of government. 51% of the population should not have tyrannical control of the other 49%. The founders knew this and set up a republic where the President, Senate, and Supreme Court were not elected by the general population.

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        It's the one that makes sense. Please, don't be daft. There's a need for absentee balloting under certain circumstances. It's a necessary evil for obvious reasons. But, as I stated, it should be minimized to special conditions. If you think for a minute that mass mailings of mail in ballots to every voter will not lead to massive voter fraud you're insane.

        Most absentee ballots were started for those in the military unable to vote the traditional way and for those with special needs. Slowly, starting in liberal states, absentee balloting has expanded mainly because it's cheaper for the states to do, certainly not because it's a more secure way to count votes. In fact, every year tens of thousands of absentee votes are NOT counted due to a technical voter error. But there is ZERO way to insure who is actually casting the vote.

        Again, here's a good opinion piece you will no doubt not read....

        Just say no to voting by mail | MinnPost
         
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          Absentee ballots should be requested by the individual voter, not mailed out like a publishers clearinghouse flyer.
           
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            Unless a ballot is requested by the voter there will be fraud big time. People are already getting multiple ballots sent to the same address for different people many of which have moved out of state or are deceased. Also multiple ballots are being sent to some people.
             
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            Don't be daft?

            The President says that Vote by Mail would ensure a rigged election (even know there is a ton of evidence to the contrary). You cited a bunch of examples of where absentee ballots were fraudulent.

            You then say "some" vote by mail ballots are ok. So, which ones? Who is the arbiter of what is "ok"?

            Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and Utah all vote by mail fully. Do those states get to continue voting by mail, or do they revert back to in-person voting?

            This is the fundamental issue - if voting by mail works some of the time, then why can't it be used all of the time?

            I think it's pretty clear the President's intention by these tweets. Get rid of all "other" vote by mail (which increases turnout rates substantially, and is currently run in majority Democratic states), but keep absentee ballots (which have traditionally heavily favored Republicans). It's playing politics.

            My opinion - we shouldn't be playing politics with voting. Ensure everyone that registers to vote is given a standard voter ID card with a picture. They must use that card when voting. It's safe, secure and ensures that only the registered voter is voting.

            The voter ID card issued is free. If you lose or misplace it, all subsequent ones require a nominal replacement charge.
             
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            The communist running Kintucky shut down most of the 3700 polling places and only left 200 open.

            Guess where the 200 mostly are. Urban Loovulle and Lexington of course.

            Imagine if a Pub did this shut down 90% of the polling places.
             
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            Janitorial closets all over South Florida elementary schools are secure holding spots for unused mail in ballots...
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            I vote absentee every year. Just easier. Have voting open a full weekend, more early voting sites or longer period of time. The polls largely depend on elderly volunteers. The odds are that with covid still around, many will be reluctant to show up.
             
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            Early voting is fine. It cuts down on large crowds and allows people to vote at their convenience without the added possibility of fraud.
             
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              Gonna be a contested election results regardless.

              Setting up for yet more chaos and give the rioters another "reason" to destroy property and demean others.
               
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                Yup. But only if Trump wins of course.
                 
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                Knowing how much Trump loves lawsuits, I tend to disagree in a "Biden wins" scenario.
                 
              • oxrageous

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                It won't be even remotely close enough to contest. Trump is going to win by a lot more this time, along with the meaningless popular vote.
                 
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                  This was rather amusing, like this issue hasn't already been debated for YEARS. Where have you been, Always?

                  I think it's a terrific, reasonable, logical idea.....which is why the left has decried it as "racist". You have to have an ID to get cigarettes, but not vote. They have decreed it nothing more than a Republican "voter suppression" tactic aimed at minorities who are much more likely to vote for someone that will upgrade their Obamaphone.
                   

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