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  1. oxrageous

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    I oppose all targeting rules. It's football. It was fine the way it was.
     
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      Doug, any comment that says "make it like the NFL" gets a down-vote.

      I'm tired of the "let's f*ck w/ the clock" rules changes that are designed to speed up the game. This ISN'T the NFL! Leave it alone.

      The NFL has a goal w/ the clock: make the game as close to 3 hours as possible. They roll the clock on ANY play that is anywhere near the sideline (if the tackle is anywhere near the out-of-bounds marker the clock rolls). I like that college football is longer (time wise) and usually more plays (# of plays per game). CFB is a different game than the NFL.

      I agree on the targeting BS, but unfortunately don't see anything changing. The new KO rule (fair catch, get the ball at the 25) is all about "player safety" (at least they didn't get rid of the KO).
       
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        If you're down, you're down. How does some guy running up to you while you're down and "tagging" you like a preschool girl add to the game? The NFL should switch their rule to NCAA, not the other way around. Then we wouldn't have to watch replays to see if somebody touched somebody else's shoelace in slo mo to decided if he was "tackled" or not.

        Targeting should be an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, not an ejection. A targeting call plus another dust up in the game is 2 USLC penalties and you're disqualified. "Team" USLC penalties should not count toward the second penalty, but a team penalty could be used to eject the next individual that commits a USLC violation.

        You gotta make a call on the field before you go to replay. There is no other way to make it work. Sometimes the replay doesn't show what happened. The call on the field is simply the tiebreaker when its a tossup.

        NFL should switch to one foot in bounds. Makes for more spectacular catches and widens the field.

        Bring back the rule about pushing the pile. These rugby scrums are ridiculous.

        Stop letting coaches call timeout. Make a player on the field do it.

        Any time the game is stopped to attend to an injured player, that player can't come back on the field until there is a change of possession or a timeout is called.
         
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          I think 15 and a personal foul is good enough. Two and they are out.

          I get the intent of the rule. For good or bad, questionable science and ambulance chasers have forced this. And there is no doubt that people didn't spear and play this way when helmets were leather.

          Some of these hits are very minor though. Moreover if they are going to hit the defense, I guess they need to require ball carriers to keep their heads up. That causes hits to the head too. Lowering the head is also a development of the helmet era. If you look at old leather helmet power backs, they made their yards primarily with stiff arms. Today people would say that Jim Brown runs to upright.
           
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            Hope you get seasick on the cruise.
             
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              The only thing I'd change is the disqualification for targeting. These players only have so much eligibility to play the sport. Taking some of that away, especially in some of these questionable cases, is wrong.

              I'd also get rid of the second unsportsmanlike rule, with Joesph's case in the VU game being a perfect example. No player should ever be sitting minding his own business and be told he's being disqualified, in part, because of someone else's mistakes. That's a joke and should be killed first thing tomorrow morning.

              Other than that, leave it alone. The NFL has become such a disaster in rule interpretation it's exhausting. Just looking at bizarre calls like yesterday's Eagles/Bears game, or the Ertz TD in the SB where he took twelve steps, crossed the line and the ground caused the fumble and it was nearly called an incompletion should tell you all you need to know. The more a group of people(who may not have ever even played the game) tinker with things to find solutions for extremely rare instances, the worse it gets.
               
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                Why should you be down if the opposition doesn't cause it? It's dumb. Make the defense get you down.
                 
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                  Like the NFL:

                  -Runner isn't down unless he's touched. It's ridiculous some clown can trip over his own feet in open field and can't get back up and run.

                  -Need two feet in bounds for a catch.
                   
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                    Really? Take away the armor and watch the debilitating injuries go down.

                    You will still get the ACLs, Torn Muscles…but far fewer head and spine injuries.

                    Take away the facemask and see how many people tackle with their head and face.

                    Watch a little Australian Rules Football or Union Rugby…you tackle with your shoulders and you turn.

                    What good is equipment if you throw a flag every time you wipe someone out?
                     
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                      Having to sit out a play because your hat is knocked off is a dumb rule that we also
                      get reminded of every time it happens.
                       
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                        The "30-second timeout" is bullsh*t too. Another rule to speed up the game for TV. When a team calls a TO they need a breather, need to slow momentum, re-group, etc. The "30-second timeout" was only instituted to speed up the game. Note to the NCAA: Stop F*cking w/ the clock rules!
                         
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                          I was under the impression defensive holding is 5 yards and automatic first down. Ball is in the air its a PI. If the hold happens prior to ball in the air its 5 and a first
                           
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                            I couldn't disagree with you more. There's nothing that boils my blood more than the NFL PI rule. I understand your stance regarding interference wiping out big plays, but there's no penalty egregious enough to warrant a 50 or 60 yard infraction. It's only 10 when the offense does it so it should probably be 10 on defense, as well.
                             
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                              You guys are whimps. Non down-by-contact and one-foot-in-bounds are wussy rules, seemingly made more for Pop Warner football. Anyone who is for them sits to pee.
                               
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                                The problem I have with holding calls is that they are called soo inconsistently. And can make such a yuge difference. It’s a killer when it’s a BS call or non- call.
                                If they did anything I’d like to see them focus on getting those calls right.
                                 
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                                  I'd like Soft Helmets and Soft Shoulder Pads. That eliminates targeting and many injuries.


                                  I played Rugby; the tackling can be just as aggressive if not more.


                                  IMO, it’s the equipment not the rules that is the issue.
                                   
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                                  • oxrageous

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                                    That's ridiculous. Let's say a guy makes a great diving catch in space. Why should he not be able to get up and run if he isn't touched?
                                     
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                                      Agree about PI. Defenders have absolutely no incentive to NOT interfere if it's past 15 yards. It's a no-brainer with the way the rules are. They're getting a little better about the targeting BS. It's an easy call/no-call if they'd just be consistent about it. If a defender leads with the crown of the helmet, it should be targeting. If the person they're tackling lowers their head to initiate contact to the head, that should be a no-call. Things happen too fast in the game for defenders to be responsible for the offensive player's actions that may lead to head-to-head contact in a bang-bang effort type play. I also think the ball carrier using their helmet as a battering ram into defenders should be a penalty. Also agree with what Ox just said about non-contact trips and falls and 2 feet in bounds. They have to do it in the NFL, why not start teaching them to get them both in bounds at the college level?
                                       

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