Pros and Cons of the US being in the Un

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    I think my opinion is pulled by my bias. = I'd like the US to withdraw from the UN and consider forming a United Capitalistic Democracies. Seems to me that would actually and factually a more influential body? Since it would consist of the richer countries - richer in more ways than money. Anyway, I'd like to hear the back & forth here.

    Some simple info with a lean towards evicting the UN : The UN building sits on superprime property, 18 acres, waterfront on the banks of the East River. It's a great neighborhood, except too many foreigners with family congregate there. They have diplomatic immunity wherever they are. So they skirt our laws.

    The UN has been there since 1953. There are "branch" UN buildings in Nairobi, Geneva, Vienna. The building is 39 stories high. Eviction could be their last story. Once we're withdrawn UN edicts will not apply to the UN of Capitalistic Democracies. The US now pays 3.3 billion to the UN - not including the monies$ for parking fines we don't get. The US has no jurisdiction over the individual offices in that building.

    Do we get worthwhile info by illegally spying on them? Do they not import their customs into the community? At least that mindset?
     
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        Good thinking, but that would generate more hate for the US than influencing what's right & fair from a UN of Capitalistic Democracies.??
         
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        Everyone hates us anyway. We should remove ourselves, kick them out and use the millions we'd save for Americans.
         
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          Is this is assuming the UN, making better decisions, will actually help some of the countries that embrace capitalistic democracies (but we need to get rid of our crony capitalism first)?
           
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            Is there any practical downside to us leaving. The pure capitalistic "for the people" democracies United could do more for mankind competing with those left in the UN? Every nation to gain admittance must pay an equal fee$. The United Capitalistic Democracies should be set up by pragmatic businessmen. Most likely in conflicts the fake UN would stand down.
             
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              That we let a guy like Ahmadinejad into or country to spew his BS let's me know it's a worthless organization. At the very least they should be kicked out of our country.
               
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                Sure But crony capitalism is still better than despotism designs. Install a comptroller on every meeting group for continual oversight. Punish individual infractions by expulsion & replacement. Let it be known, no one has qualms about strict enforcement.
                 
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                Well I should have said we need to start to get rid of our crony capitalism...its a distraction and club used to beat others with.
                 
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                  To counterbalance "the sky is falling" world tragedizing, we should establish our United Democracies before we withdraw from the UN. The example Slug gave makes our decisions truthful and world-helpful.
                   
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                    This is one way to improve our federal deficit....pull out of all these worldwide organizations we don’t really need to be a part of
                     
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                      DT should present the $ savings by modifying all the chump decisions made by past "it's not my money" big spenders.
                      Bring billions $ home because we are hurting now. Go Directly to the people of the US and explain. Then executive order it if Congress balks.
                       
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                      % of UN budget that nations pay:
                      US = 22%
                      2nd Japan = 9.68%
                      Germany = 6.4%
                      France = 4.8%
                      UK = 4.4%
                      etc.
                       
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                      While we're at it:

                      % of GDP paid to NATO =
                      US >> 686 million$ = 3.6%
                      UK >> 55.2 mil$ = 2.1%
                      France >> 45.9 mil$ = 1.8%
                      Germany >> 45.4 mil$ = 1.2% ..... Richest European country.
                      Canada >> 21.3 mil$ = 1.3%

                      Canada and US are paying to protect faraway nations?? They should be able to pay for their own defense. We've done this long enough. Now if something Flares up we can snuff it from here. NATO today only has value if China or Russia invade somewhere. Russia has already gotten away with invading & taking Crimea and China has taken islands in the South China Sea and drooling over Taiwan.
                       
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                        All those countries really on our protection, yet we pay the lion’s share. That’s my issue with it.
                         
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                          Better to have more friends and less enemies. Not to mention our strategic advantage to having bases in these areas.
                           
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                          With friends like ours, who needs enemies?
                           
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                          But strike-ability has changed. We are capable of conducting a long-distance war remotely. Decimate the enemy before sending in the mop-up boys? We need to figure this stuff out better. What nations will ever align against the US? If NATO nations of Europe have to provide 100% of their own counter-attacks they will become capable without the US fighting. Techniques & capabilities have drastically changed. Russia took Crimea without a twitch from NATO. So how much has that act of invasion hurt Europe? or the US.

                          Don't leave NATO or the UN until we have another semi-global organization of select nations.
                           
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                          That's just what's paid to NATO.
                          The real measure is how much each country spends for it's own defense forces. It doesn't do any good for France to give NATO $45M then rely on our $700B military to do the heavy lifting. They need to spend as much as us (as a % of GDP at least).
                           
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                          Plus, our troops are an influx of US dollars in Europe.
                          If we pulled out, what would those nations do? just fold?

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