Saudi oil tankers hit by ‘sabotage attack’ amid Iran standoff

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  1. Swamp Donkey

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    Youre an idiot. Theyve hit us every year or two since then.

    There has to be something you know and are good at analyzing.... we just havent come across it yet.
     
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      The purpose was to remove the Iranian nuclear threat, and it succeeded in doing that. The purpose was not to stop all of their other nefarious activities or that democracy and free market capitalism woukd bust out, although some naively hoped that would happen.

      Recall before the deal Iran was generally considered the #1 foreign policy threat. Netanyahu was testifying before our congress with pictures of bugs bunny style bombs. After the deal that particular threat was gone. Maybe deferred a decade or two, but for now it was gone.

      Yemen is an example of their problematic activities. I didnt think about that. They back Hezbollah. But that kind of stuff has been going on or decades, and I'm not sure why all of a sudden we want to provoke them into conflict. What is the end game? Are we really going to try this regime change thing again?

      There have been times out interests have aligned. They had a lot to do with beating back ISIS. They are aligned against Sunni extremists in the region.

      If there are recent examples of escalation that require this response, please provide them. Seems to me we kind of escalated this when we pulled out of Iran deal (when pulling out really serves no strategic purpose after we gave them their money back).

      Trump for all of his warts has generally been pragmatic in foreign policy. I'm concerned that Bolton will take him down a neocon path.
       
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        What is the end game?
         
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          They do seem to be soft...except maybe afghani ones.
           
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          Exactly.
           
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          Cripple them.

          Or let them fight Sunnis from Tehran to Baghdad or Istanbul or Riyadh.... preferably for a decade or more.
           
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          The magi need a boogie man to stay in power.
           
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          No, let's be perfectly clear here: it did NOT remove Iran as a nuclear threat. It merely *delayed* the time they could "break out" to nuclear status.

          The "deal" itself (sarcasm intentional) did not remove the infrastructure needed to build a bomb. The only thing it was designed to do was prevent them from quickly making a bomb during the 5-10 year sanctions reprieve. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

          Iran could break the deal at any point and be 12-16 months away from a bomb. IF they weren't lying and didn't have elements of their nuclear program stashed away hidden off-record.

          And while Obama's former Administration might be singing a different tune now...at the time, this was heralded as the major breakthrough for Iran to join the rest of the world via renewed trade. Ben Rhodes and other senior Administration officials weren't hesitant in telegraphing what their hopes were. Again: I don't begrudge the play itself or the hope...but I do begrudge them abandoning common sense and our traditional allies for "hope" as a foreign policy tool.

          Speaking of defeating ISIS...have you checked out Iran resettling thousands of Iranians into western Syria? The Israelis are going ape over that, as are the Saudis.

          As far as what they're doing, what's publicly been acknowledged thus far: the pipeline attack on the Red Sea side of the country and the attacks on the tankers in the Persian Gulf (opposite ends of the supply chain..no coincidence); Iraqi militias being armed with sophisticated missiles and weapons for...no one knows, but everyone (including the Europeans) seems to be pulling embassy staff and civilians from the country; Iranian missile boats caught being armed with sophisticated missiles; and Iran senior-level ministers meeting with representatives from Russia, China, Turkey, and other Middle Eastern nations in the past week.

          So you ask what the goal is here...quite simple: deter Iran from doing something stupid. At least for right now. They think they have little to lose with how their economy is tanking and their population is getting restless...well, a war would see them be defeated or dispossessed. Trump moving forces into the area proves that we won't allow them to attack us or our allies' interests without a fight. It it backs them down, we've showed support for our friends in the region after they've been questioning us of late (it's been noticed that Obama didn't consult any of our allies prior to the "deal" was struck...over their objections).
           
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            It actually ADVANCED their date.
             
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            How do you figure? Haven't heard that before, so was curious.
             
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            No question the "deal" gave them pallets of cash that they quickly spent on military purposes.

            But they were complying with the technical provisions of the deal (even Trump's Administration conceded that). And while I don't trust Iran, I do trust their self-interest. They needed sanctions relief to jump-start their economy and prevent social discord...complying with the technical provisions ensured they could buy and trade on the open market again.

            And, as we saw, use the money gained to fund their military and other revolutionary activities.
             
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            And access to modern nuclear equipment and every other type of technology (bc the sanctions were removed) which was easily misused/converted.

            Complying with the technical provisions???? :lmao2: BC of UN inspectors?

            What do you think they put in that massive underground facility anyway?

            Nuclear power generation equipment?

            You habe to be a special John Kerrey/ John Brennan kind of dumb to think they slowed down for even a second. They just built a newer, newer slightly hidden facility and kept the inspectors away the whole time.
             
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                yup, im not a war drum beater but enough is enough. they are now actively attacking ships in international waters and attempting to disrupt trade and the stock markets. not to mention how many innocent people could have been killed. its time to make them glow.
                 
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                  Light 'em up. Coordinate with the Israelis.
                   
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                    This, and right now. Of course you have those on the left that still think the NRA is a bigger threat than the Iranians and will stay focused on that. When the legislative branch has done nothing for 2 years but hamstring the President with BS investigations and lies then your enemies are emboldened to think they can pull this kind of shyt while the CiC is paralyzed with approval ratings and opinion polls.
                     

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