Sheriff Israel... ruh roh. Commander ordered deputies to stage outside

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    They were always in La La land.

    Confirmation bias.
     
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    Yes NPR and NYT were always left leaning but they were at least honest about it and actually had news. It’s now opinion, and mostly fiction.

    For example the govt shutdown. They would be saying people will miss their next paycheck if goes on longer, and they will have to use reserves/savings. They would do analysis on all the services govt functions they would still be working and those that would not. Even throw a bone that most Americans will not feel the impact unless went on for months. They would explore why both parties are at fault.
     
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      I don’t watch much tv. So can’t really express an opinion.
       
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      Running a large organization. Going from being a Sgt of a small or medium PD to a large SO is like going from being a asst. coach at a D2 program to being HC at a D1 power 5 program. It’s a helluva jump. CCPD has a little over 300 employees; BCSO has 5400. He’s going from a first line supervisor at the first to being in charge at the second. It will be one helluva learning curve. And unless he has mad skills, he is being set up for failure.
       
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      No offense but most police management are good ole boys who know the mayor, and the departments mostly run themselves.

      Supervising a group of commanders and being vaguely aware of what is going on in LE is essentially all that is required, something the last asshat obviously is incapable of.

      No doubt the last asshat stuffed his agency full of unqualified quota hires like the commander in this incident. That is where the new sheriff will have to begin, purging the gray water tanks.

      I have no doubt that agency isnt as bad as it seems at first glance but the command staff needs to go.
       
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      I had no idea you knew so much about running a law enforcement agency. You should become a consultant and sell your expertise to all the screwed up PDs and SOs around the country. You’d make a fortune. So tell me how long were you in law enforcement?
       
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        I have long been a consultant to them.

        It seems that the banks want me more though. We will see what happens next.
         
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        You’ll forgive me if I call BS on this one


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        Which ? Banks or law enforcement?
         
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        LE. I don’t know crud about what it takes to run a bank. Law enforcement on the other hand is something I do know a bit about.
         
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          One up on me.
           
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          That’s Ok. I don’t know much about very much else.
           
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            I didn't say RUN a bank. Large banks have large AML sections.
             
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            Do what you want. BS is free from me anyway.
             
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            I was responding to AR just to say I don’t know much about banks. I do know about the AML stuff. I have some former colleagues who do that for WF & BofA. You involved in that?
             
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              Was doing some reviews recently and this link was listed as a source. Id never seen it. Some of the specifics are well documented here:

              UNPREPARED AND OVERWHELMED

              First several monitors recognize crazy boy with a rifle bag and follow him around but never use their radios, which @stephenPE says teachers shouldnt have to carry anyway, to call a lockdown/ code red. This is the first catastrophic failure.

              "The repeated failures to call a Code Red become catastrophic when the shooting sets off a fire alarm.

              Instead of hiding in their classrooms, as they would during a Code Red, some students and teachers stream out of classrooms into hallways, as they would if facing a fire.

              At the same time, Deputy Scot Peterson – the school resource officer and the only armed lawman on campus – runs to meet with Medina, the campus monitor who first saw Cruz."

              Then of course THE coward of Coward County does his thing.

              Peterson finally arrives on the east side of Building 12. He draws his gun, but he fails to go inside the building.

              Over his police radio he says he can hear firecrackers or "possible shots fired" in Building 12. The statement conflicts with his later account: that he was unsure where the sounds were coming from.
               
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                This whole thing is a difficult to read, especially to people who have tried to train others for this for decades. It is used by people in the business as an example of doing the wrong thing at every single turn.

                Probably the most damning, IMO, almost a half an hour in:

                "A few seconds later, Peterson, still hiding southeast of Building 12, tells deputies over the radio to stay at least 500 feet away from the building"


                Look, it is one thing to have ONE fuggging turd of on officer, but 30 minutes in to still have no one on that department correcting what's going on is almost beyond comprehension.

                Well the good thing is though Israel cuddled criminals for years, at least he made sure that responding deputies did not have scary black rifles. He certainly "demilitarized" the po po.

                I guess they got that going for them.

                At least the response from at least part of the country/media etc has been critical enough that other police administrators and education administrators see that there is in fact a downside to being incompetent.

                You have to wonder about why the school staff had such a reluctance to call code red. If they ring the bell and it just ends up being some goofy kid who has an empty bag, how much is really lost my locking the kids down for 3 to 5 minutes until they figure that out?

                Sometimes I wonder why the people who were vested with such responsibility take it so lackadaisically.
                 
                #59 Swamp Donkey, Jan 19, 2019 at 12:34 PM
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                  It's not like it's a new threat that no one has ever considered. Columbine and Beslan should have put every school on notice.

                  I know that for political reasons Beslan isn't known by many people, but these threats were not unknown.

                  Google Besland. Islamists have promised a thousand Beslans. They usually don't forget once they make one of these threats. (ie they focused on WTC for some reason and attacked it three times before 9/11.)
                   
                  #60 Swamp Donkey, Jan 19, 2019 at 12:39 PM
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