Shutdown fakenews

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  1. g8r.tom

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    I would think the Coast Guard is part of the essential section of gov't that is getting paid.
     
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    42,000 Coast Guard members working without pay during shutdown

    I guess there are some considered essential, but the majority are not. The DOD is fully funded, but not the DHS.
     
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    I'd laugh my ass off if he gave in to the Dems, re opened the Gov. brought in private investors(bonds) funded the wall and built it with his construction company, and pocketed the profits.....The libs would flip sh!t....:lol:
     
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      I was a Fed for over 31 years and went through several shutdowns and even more threatened ones. For some strange reason, in those previous ones, there were no organized protests at the WH. I’m sure the party of the prez on those occasions was not a factor......
      BTW - I don’t think we’ve broken the record yet for the longest one yet, though we may be close.
       
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      Believe it or not, I think he is required to take a salary. I recall his plan was to take $1/ year.
       
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      Supposedly it’s today as the longest, but basically not a true milestone. I’d say 3 months. That would be a milestone.

      I am so ****ing tired of people thinking they are entitled to govt benefits. ****ing fools. If I hear an idiot farmer saying I want my money to plant crops, I’m going to kick they sob in the halls, if he has any.
       
      • EyeDocGator

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        Furloughed Federal Employees are Still Paid More Than You

        01/12/2019 Ryan McMaken

        Whether its CNBC, or The New York Times, or NPR, the mainstream media is clearly committed to using the current partial government shutdown to portray federal workers as beleaguered victims of the American political system.

        But, in all cases I've encountered, these reports neglect to mention that on average, civilian federal workers make 17 percent more than similar workers in the private sector, according to a 2017-2018 report by the Congressional Budget Office. That's total compensation, so we're including both wages and benefits.

        Considering that a year is 52 weeks long, an average federal worker would need to be completely without any income for nearly 9 weeks in order to just be reduced to equal standing with a similar private-sector worker. (17 percent of 52 weeks is 8.84 weeks.)

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        Source: Congressional Budget Office.

        As of this writing, the current shutdown has only lasted three weeks, which means all those furloughed workers profiled in national news stories are likely still coming out ahead of their private-sector colleagues. Moreover, given that both Trump and Congress have committed to pay furloughed workers back pay, it's a safe bet that federal workers will continue to enjoy a healthy advantage over private-sector workers when it comes to compensation.

        Health benefits for most federal workers will also continue without interruption through the shutdown, as noted by NPR.

        The Federal-Pay Advantage Is Larger for Lower-Income Employees
        The disparity between private-sector work and federal jobs is largest at the lower end of the education scale.

        According to the CBO's report:

        Federal civilian workers with no more than a high school education earned 34 percent more, on average, than similar workers in the private sector.

        That's just wages. They get far more in terms of benefits like healthcare and vacation time:

        Average benefits were 93 percent higher for federal employees with no more than a high school education than for their private-sector counterparts.

        The benefits for workers with a bachelors degree are 52 percent higher for federal workers than for their private-sector counterparts. Wages for federal workers in this group, however, are only five percent higher.

        Only when we look at federal workers with PhDs and other advanced degrees, do we find some federal workers who actually make less than similar workers in the private sector. Wages among highly-educated federal employees were 24 percent less than in the private sector, according to the report. Benefits remained "about the same."

        So, most federal employees — especially the ones with less education — have a long way to go before facing the economic realities that private-sector employees — i.e., the net taxpayers — face on a daily basis.

        Crowding Out Private Employment
        Not content with manufacturing sympathy for federal workers, however, news organizations have also pointed to a decline in spending by federal employees as damaging to the economy.

        A typical passage is one like this one from a CNBC article:

        If the government shutdown lasts another two weeks, the total cost to the U.S. economy would exceed the price of building the proposed border wall.

        Without federal spending, we're told, GDP will suffer:

        We estimated that this shutdown could shave approximately $1.2 billion off real GDP in the quarter for each week that part of the government is closed.

        That might sound like a big number (to some people unfamiliar with federal finances), but it's helpful to keep in mind that federal workers make up only 1.5 percent of the federal workforce. And not all of those are furloughed.

        Moreover, since furloughed workers can eventually expect back pay, any bust in GDP right now will be followed by a boom in spending once the back pay is received.

        The real cost to the private sector is in the form of industries that are paralyzed as a result of understaffed federal regulatory agencies. (As mentioned in this article about craft beer.) When the private sector isn't allowed to function without regular certification and inspection from federal agents, that means shutdowns prevent the private sector from functioning. This, of course, isn't an argument for more government spending. It's an argument against a vast federal regulatory apparatus that can't be counted on to perform the bare minimum of tasks it has promised to perform.

        All of this is just a good reminder that these jobs should never have been federal jobs in the first place. After all, many of these positions are already by definition "non-essential," and from the national parks to the airports to the FBI, the federal workers are doing jobs that could easily be taken over by state and local authorities, or by the private sector.

        Were that the case, no nationwide, system-wide shutdown all of countless nationwide agencies would be of any noticeable impact. The system would become less fragile, more flexible, more diverse, and less costly.

        Also, many of the workers who now rely on federal paychecks would already be working in the private sector had the federal government not crowded these jobs out of the marketplace to begin with. Every time the federal government inserts itself as a monopolist regulator or service provider, federal agencies suck resources (in terms of both capital and human resources) out of the private sector. That means fewer new hires in the private sector, and it means lower wages for the employees left in the private sector who must foot the bills for federal agencies and employees. It also means higher prices for the private sector as government agencies bid up prices on everything from steel to petroleum.

        Ultimately, all of the problems we're being told about as a result of the government shutdown are problems caused by a federal government itself, which has inserted itself into every nearly every corner of daily life nationwide.
         
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        Congress isn't missing a paycheck
         
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        I am pissed if this is true....I want to see per hour rate...
         
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        You are ****ting me?
         
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          This statistic includes benefits. The hourly pay is a little lower in the public sector. However, if you factor in vacation, liberal sick days, medical, dental and pension benefits, then federal employees make out like bandits.
           
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            I work 60 hrs for my salary and benefits...
             
          • Tay Bang

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            The lifetime pension is the biggie. Retire relatively early compared to the private sector and then every month for life, a nice shot of sugar arrives in the mail. The rest of us have to save over the long haul and live off of investment income and social security.
             
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            • Swamp Donkey

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              Hard to get to, so here it is:

              As one of the senior officials working without a paycheck, a few words of advice for the president’s next move at shuttered government agencies: lock the doors, sell the furniture, and cut them down.

              Federal employees are starting to feel the strain of the shutdown. I am one of them. But for the sake of our nation, I hope it lasts a very long time, till the government is changed and can never return to its previous form.

              The lapse in appropriations is more than a battle over a wall. It is an opportunity to strip wasteful government agencies for good.

              On an average day, roughly 15 percent of the employees around me are exceptional patriots serving their country. I wish I could give competitive salaries to them and no one else. But 80 percent feel no pressure to produce results. If they don’t feel like doing what they are told, they don’t.

              Why would they? We can’t fire them. They avoid attention, plan their weekend, schedule vacation, their second job, their next position — some do this in the same position for more than a decade. (RELATED: EPA Employees Who Watched Porn, Harassed Women And Got Promoted)

              They do nothing that warrants punishment and nothing of external value. That is their workday: errands for the sake of errands — administering, refining, following and collaborating on process. “Process is your friend” is what delusional civil servants tell themselves. Even senior officials must gain approval from every rank across their department, other agencies and work units for basic administrative chores.

              Process is what we serve, process keeps us safe, process is our core value. It takes a lot of people to maintain the process. Process provides jobs. In fact, there are process experts and certified process managers who protect the process. Then there are the 5 percent with moxie (career managers). At any given time they can change, clarify or add to the process — even to distort or block policy counsel for the president.

              Saboteurs peddling opinion as research, tasking their staff on pet projects or pitching wasteful grants to their friends. Most of my career colleagues actively work against the president’s agenda. This means I typically spend about 15 percent of my time on the president’s agenda and 85 percent of my time trying to stop sabotage, and we have no power to get rid of them. Until the shutdown.

              Due to the lack of funding, many federal agencies are now operating more effectively from the top down on a fraction of their workforce, with only select essential personnel serving national security tasks. One might think this is how government should function, but bureaucracies operate from the bottom up — a collective of self-generated ideas. Ideas become initiatives, formalize into offices, they seek funds from Congress and become bureaus or sub-agencies, and maybe one day grow to be their own independent agency, like ours. The nature of a big administrative bureaucracy is to grow to serve itself. I watch it and fight it daily. (RELATED: Remember When Obama And Clinton Shut Down Government For Their Own Pet Projects?)

              When the agency is full, employees held liable for poor performance respond with threats, lawsuits, complaints and process in at least a dozen offices, taking years of mounting paperwork with no fear of accountability, extending their careers, while no real work is done. Do we succumb to such extortion? Yes. We pay them settlements, we waive bad reviews, and we promote them.

              Many government agencies have adopted the position that more complaints are good because it shows inclusion in, you guessed it, the process. When complaints come, it is cheaper to pay them off than to hold public servants accountable. The result: People accused of serious offenses are not charged, and self-proclaimed victims are paid by you, the American taxpayer.
               
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