Socialist new green plan

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  1. ChiefGator

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    My comment?:poop:
     
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      If this witch gets her way stockpile food and ammo. Venezuela here we come.
       
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        She seemingly has no concern for possible/probable negative consequences. A cursory reading of her major propositions makes it clear that implementing them will hurt a lot of people, at a minimum. However, she obviously loves the massive amount of attention she's getting, so will continue to spout whatever gets her media coverage in order to stroke her own ego. Reminds me of Barry, without his malice and dishonesty.
         
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          I don't think it is only lack of concern, it is a massive lack of knowledge that any of this might include.

          I saw a massive news that Norway sold 1/3 of their new cars being electric. Considering the massive incentives they have it is almost nothing.

          Not to mention some of those things might be unconstitutional.
           
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            The socialist "green plan" basically is to take all the producer's "green" and give it to the non-producers.
             
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              “This is going to be the New Deal, the Great Society, the moon shot, the civil-rights movement of our generation,” Ocasio-Cortez said Monday at a town hall led by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

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                I would be careful to not underestimate her. She is playing a role that is designed to have her appeal to and win over a new generation of progressive voters (socialists). She plays the "dumb" role, but she graduated cum laude from Boston University, 4th in her class. She majored in International Relations, and minored in Economics. She worked for Ted Kennedy while she was in college, a resume-builder that would not be wasted on someone not being groomed for a future in socialist politics.

                She is part of the Brand New Congress political organization, a group of folks mostly from the Bernie Sanders campaign working to move American politics much further to the left than it is today, targeting younger politicians and younger voters.

                She knows exactly what she is doing with her plan. She and others from Brand New Congress have all been groomed, many since their high school days, with the intent of transforming America into a socialist nation.

                Not a lack of knowledge at all. She is dangerous and should be treated as such.
                 
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                  And yet she speaks and disseminates her ludicrous ideas like a moron.
                   
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                  It's a means to an end for her, much as returning to the Bronx and working as a bartender was. Reality is that her family moved from the Bronx when she was 5, and she lived in upscale Westchester County until she went to Boston U. She "returned" to the Bronx to work as a bartender so that she would be able to "represent the common man" in a blue-collar type role. She easily could have worked as a "community organizer" towards her chosen career, but this job provided her some street cred among her future constituents.

                  Everything she says and does publicly is calculated and with a purpose.
                   
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                    For someone who is supposedly so strategic and cunning she explains her ideas like a simpleton and has the affect of an air head Valley girl. I've seen nothing in her that emanates more than average intelligence matched to a very limited vocabulary. Her depth of knowledge on the issues she promotes is an inch deep and a mile wide. She's fluff.
                     
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                      I agree with you that we shouldn't underestimate her. But despite her credentials I think it's more about how dumb the voters are rather than how smart she is. Her credentials don't impress me at all. She is dangerous because there are so many voters out there who will fall for her snake oil.
                       
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                        Agreed, the biggest danger isn't in how smart she is, but in how she is smart enough to know how to manipulate the audience that she is trying to win over. She's not trying to win over Divits, Okeechobee Joe, Tay Bang, me, or most of the 40+ crowd that populate this board. In Bernie Sanders campaign you had a guy who was nearly 80 years old, but attracting a voter base that was voting in their first, second, or maybe third presidential election. The Brand New Congress and Justice Democrats PACs which she affiliates with, were both formed from Bernie Sanders campaign leaders who realized that they had the message they could resonate with much of the under-40 set, but needed a few charismatic actors/politicians that they could relate to and convey the message. That is her role.
                         
                        • Tay Bang

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                          I suspect you are accurate. Good insights. The media were likely signaled by the Bernie money people well before her election to turn their adoring spotlight onto her.
                           
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                            Ocasio-Cortez is part of the Brand New Congress PAC, which successfully saw 7 members get elected to the House in November. Brand New Congress' stance on taxes is to align with that of the Congressional Democratic Caucus, who have these main tax reform principles (italics are mine):

                            A. Corporate Tax Reform Principles
                            1) Revenue Positive (raise taxes on corporations)
                            2) Promote Responsible Corporate Behavior (corporations to support social needs, regardless of whether it makes good business sense)
                            3) A Global System that works for the American People (make it more difficult for companies to keep non-US revenues overseas and defer repatriation of revenues)
                            B. Individual Tax Reform Principles
                            1) Restore and Improve Progressivity (steepen the tax rate curve)
                            2) Fair Rates for the Wealthiest Taxpayers (this is where the 70% tax rate comes in)
                            3) Reexamine Expenditures that Benefit the Wealthy; Protect those that Help Working Families, the Poor, and Seniors (more tax credits should go to working families, including the 45%+ who pay no federal income taxes already)
                            The bottom line, and it isn't even veiled, is that the Democrats want to increase taxes on those who are productive so that they can "invest" it as they see fit.
                             
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                            Reparations
                             
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                            While I haven't seen anything in the Congressional Progressive Caucus platform about reparations, it has been solidly in the Democratic Socialists of America's platform, who endorsed most of the members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
                             
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                            It's on every minority Dem's checklist. Gotta get back at evil rich white people.
                             
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                            Now that John Conyers "retired" amid sexual harassment allegations, Sheila Jackson Lee has taken the lead on H.R. 40, the Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act.

                            The act allocates $12m for the study. I sometimes wonder if there is really a belief by the Congressional Black Caucus that reparations would ever happen, or if just the illusion of the CBC "fighting" for reparations is enough to keep the votes from black voters coming, thus keeping the CBC members in their power positions. And $12m is a nice little sum to pay a few cronies in salaries and lavish travel, merely to write a slanted report that any of us could write over a weekend.
                             

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