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  1. Okeechobee Joe

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    If somebody parks in a handicapped place that is not supposed to I'm not going to say anything to them. They shouldn't park in those places and they are jerks. But I'm not out to right every little wrong in the world. I don't give jerks the time of day. You're not going to accomplish much by wasting your time trying to correct jerks. Jerks carry guns too.
     
    • Durty South Swamp

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      Id have probably said something in passing if the opportunity was there. "Hey, you know, there are some elderly folks who really rely on these spaces..." That sort of thing, but that would have been the end of it. You dont look for conflict when carrying. Personally, I dont look for it at all... except for gatorchatter. :grin:
       
      • oxrageous

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        You guys are arguing two different points again. Legally I think he walks. Ethically I think he should have done more to avoid shooting him.
         
        • Zambo

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          To me this is the main point. When you carry you have a responsibility not to let little crap like a parking spot lead to this kind of violence. Whether its proven that pulling the trigger in this situation conforms to the law or not, the guy is a total and complete A-HOLE if he's out there instigating confrontations over parking spots while carrying a weapon. I won't shed a single tear if this guy gets convicted. F him.

          And OBTW, all you guys who want to defend your ability to carry, THIS GUY is totally f'ing it up for you. At the moment he pulled the trigger, he may have felt his life was threatened, but he has no one to blame for putting himself in that position other than himself.
           
          • MJMGator

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            Why weren’t you this angry when Obama was in office?
             
            • Zambo

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              Every part of this was the shooters fault and if you don't see that you have no business whatsoever carrying a weapon in public.

              When you're strapped you go out of your way to avoid these type of conflicts. The shooter did exactly the opposite of that. Knowing full well that he was armed, he deliberately went to the scene to confront somebody and started yelling at the woman. The black dude didn't come out of the store and push him down for no reason, he pushed him down because he was yelling at the girl. Heck if I came out of a store and found some pencil neck screaming at my wife it would be hard to resist the urge to shove the guy myself. Then the shooter pulled his weapon and the black dude immediately stopped advancing and even backed up but the shooter shot him anyway. Every single part of this incident was the shooter's fault.

              If you are a conservative, hopefully you believe in the concept of responsibility and consequences for your actions. This armed ass hole is responsible for creating this entire incident and he should suffer the consequences. The right to arm and defend yourself is not an excuse for the unnecessary taking of a life. Funny how some of you guys bemoan the lack of high standards but are so quick to excuse a guy who obviously doesn't have any.
               
              • Swamp Donkey

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                Yes, aggressor piece of shyt is dead and the deranged Walter Mitty is in jail.

                Now both punk ass aggressors and crazy Walter Mittys might hesitate next time.
                 
                #519 Swamp Donkey, Aug 24, 2019
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                • Tay Bang

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                  If Al’s in, I’m in.

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                      :popcorn: Interesting plot turn.
                       
                      • Gator Fever

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                        You appear to be the joke from what I see here.
                         
                        • MJMGator

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                          A jury should decide his fate not some BS law? Exactly what law would the jury apply?
                          I used to think you were just an angry, negative little person. Since you started posting in the PF, I realize you’re a total fcking moron. Thanks for letting us all know who you are.
                           
                          • oxrageous

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                            Keep this up and I'll remove your ability to post in the PF. You simply aren't emotionally able to handle it without this kind of garbage.
                             
                            • itsgr82bag8r

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                              So, it’s safe to say you’re not really into that whole “facts” thing. More of a National Inquirer kind of guy!
                               
                              • Detroitgator

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                                No... but you're a dumbass for hijacking the thread with a strawman.
                                 
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                                  A homicide is killing a person.

                                  A murder is a homicide.

                                  A manslaughter is a homicide.

                                  A justifiable shooting is a homicide.

                                  A manslaughter is not however a murder.
                                   
                                  • Detroitgator

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                                    The part where if one is carrying, one might want to let meaningless schit like "you're parked in a handicap spot!" slide and just go about ones business because it really doesn't matter in the big scheme of things.

                                    Both these guys were idiots... just for the record.
                                     
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                                      You leave those Florida football players alone, Tay Bang, or the only thing you're going to hear is a sound of a frying pan upside yo haid.
                                       
                                      • Tay Bang

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                                        I suspect most of us Florida people have several locations in your town where folks hang out that can be easily baited into fairly innocuous physical violence by "disrespecting" them verbally, such as that seen on the video. These folks could then be hypothetically legally eliminated via your legally carried concealed weapon. I choose to keep me and my legally carried concealed weapon away from these places. And if I haven't planned ahead and am running out of gas near a place such as described, I quietly fill my tank with a credit card at the pump and keep my situational awareness on high alert. It's a shame shooter dude in the video sees it a different way. Nobody had to die that day.
                                         
                                        • Swamp Donkey

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                                          It is always a factual determination but the language is similar to every other statute in the US.

                                          "Deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony."

                                          This really has zero to do with "stand you ground". He was knocked down by the aggressor and had no ability to flee. The issue is simple, did he reasonably believe he faced death. Reasobable doesnt mean subjectively believe, it means a reasonable person.

                                          All of that is common stuff written in almost every self defense law in the country.

                                          It is also a tough sell to any jury IMO that getting pushed means you were defending against a deadly assault, but I dont know what he was saying and can only see one poor angle video.
                                           
                                          #289 Swamp Donkey, Jul 28, 2018
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