Stand your ground shooting

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  1. Zambo

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    So if you and I get in a shouting match in a parking lot and I push you down and then disengage by backing up, you think its your right to pull out a gun and shoot me? Seriously?

    Edit: I agree with being able to stand your ground, but this kind of thing is how the law is going to get scratched.
     
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      I’m going back to the point I already made...

      In this case, the shooter is arguing with a female. Who’s to say she didn’t feel threatened for her life by having a larger male confrontation? Then, her boyfriend came to disable the threat by using reasonable, non-deadly force?
       
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        Without stand your ground it would have been way more likely the guy was charged with something because after the guy threw him down he was hesitating some and not really making forward movement towards the guy. Some state attorneys would have said he could have held fire until the guy actually advanced to attack him again.

        Cases like this or even ones more in the favor of the shooter is why the law was enacted. Basically the political beliefs of the state attorney previously would have been the deciding factor to charge or not. And don't believe that crap some people try to claim that they don't let that enter into their decision because they do and are willing to take that likely loss with a jury in Court just to push their political beliefs.
         
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        lol No physical confrontation was going on period - just arguing.
         
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        Are you certain this isn’t somehow Trump’s fault?
         
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        Thanks for the response, I don't live there so no TV for me.

        I don't know enough about the situation to decide if it was justified. If he knocked me to the ground and was close to me it might be.

        I don't see stand your ground as being anything, either you were justified in being afraid or not. If so self defense is the answer. Perhaps some lawyer will educate us on the difference.
         
      • Detroitgator

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        Remember, the burden now is on the prosecutor to prove it is NOT stand your ground, not on the shooter. That was a change to the original law. From the video, I’d say shooter needs to go to prison.
         
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          I concur
           
          • Gator Fever

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            Yep they did that due to lefty judges and prosecutors. I would have held fire until he clearly came forward again but I doubt they could win a stand your grand hearing on this case to get him to a trial which they likely would lose anyway. Once that lawyer started pointing out the physical differences etc. it would be over for the state I think.

            The cases where the change in the law is really crazy is like the one in my town where he claimed the guy said he had a gun and was reaching for it but since there is no direct witness or video the guy wasn't charged even though the guy had no gun in his car. He also put bullets in a couple of nearby cars during this incident.
             
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            Who cares what the races are. A bully is removed. The world is a better place today.
             
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            Good question. My emotional side says no. I hate bullies.
             
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            If this guy was a cop wannabe and being an instigator I’d tend to agree with you. But I still hate bullying.
             
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            You didn't understand my post. However, you did raise an interesting point. If I am carrying I do NOT under any circumstances get into a shouting match with anyone. That is irresponsible because shouting matches can escalate. We don't know the exact sequence of events, but I am quite certain that if I were in the position of the shooter I would have de-escalated the situation before it got out of hand.

            You are correct that if you push me down and disengage I do not have the right to shoot you. What I was attempting to communicate was that in this case the shooter was pushed to the ground and the shooting victim took two steps toward him. At that point, it was reasonable for the shooter to feel he was threatened with deadly violence and to draw his weapon and fire. Once the gun was drawn and the shooting victim withdrew the shooter may not have been able to stop himself from firing. There have been several examples of police officers firing a dozen bullets into a victim when one or two would have been sufficient. These incidents have been excused because the brain does not function perfectly under severe stress.
             
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              Reasonable? Are you serious Clark?
               
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              I agree with most of that. I was actually responding to Fever but you posted while I was typing.
               
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              At the very least he should not have a cwp.
               
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              At the very least, he should be convicted of some kind of killing
               
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                People would be getting shot at every playground basket ball court or YMCA.

                He shoved a guy to the ground. Sorry but deadly force? Give me a freaking break.

                The bully is still alive. He's been bullying people for a while and has brandished his gun in the past for intimidation. He's a punk that shouldn't have a gun. Karma will catch up with him.
                 
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                  Better question for everyone, so anytime someone is pushed now....deadly force is the proper response? Pushed.
                   
                • AugustaGator

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                  My emotional or utilitarian perspective says everyone is better off with this bully gone.

                  The bully was backing away when confronted. Without evidence to say this guy had attacked the man before individual rights would say something as well.
                   

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