Stand your ground shooting

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  1. AugustaGator

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    Just watched the complete video. My takeaways:
    1. The argument over the parking place seemed to be just that, an argument of words. He doesn't appear to be close enough to be threatening. I sincerely doubt it would have escalated into violence. A stupid argument to have, but appears pretty benign.
    2. McGlockton went out of his way to insert himself into a verbal argument and escalated it into a violent altercation.
    3. From the video, it looks like there is enough force to call it a strike rather than a push or a shove. It appears to be pretty evident that physical harm was intended. Maybe that's not the proper word for it, but it was more violent than a shove.
    4. McGlockton did not walk away, he took a step backward, but he was not in full retreat and did not appear in process of retreating. Hard to tell without audio, but it looks to me like McGlockton is jawing at him after he pulled the gun. You don't see his hands go up as if to say don't shoot. He looks like he's still engaged in the altercation rather than exiting the confrontation.
    For me, it's sad, but looks justified. McGlockton clearly escalated the situation with violence and did not disengage the altercation, until he was actually shot.

    To me, the shooter has some blame but not legally. In my mind, if you are carrying, whether it be a knife or gun, you have a responsibility to avoid confrontations. You are essentially safeguarding a weapon. If you get into a physical conflict, you're the one that brought the weapon to the party, so you need to be damn sure that you aren't the cause of any conflict. The shooter could have easily just called the police so she could get a ticket, or he could have simply pointed out that it was a handicapped spot. No, he decided to get into a verbal altercation. So he shoulders some of the blame and I hope that he feels like complete **** the rest of his life, but he didn't escalate the situation to violence.
     
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      Leftist media is holding this one a bit. They want to talk about Stormy more for now.
       
      • Okeechobee Joe

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        If somebody parks in a handicapped place that is not supposed to I'm not going to say anything to them. They shouldn't park in those places and they are jerks. But I'm not out to right every little wrong in the world. I don't give jerks the time of day. You're not going to accomplish much by wasting your time trying to correct jerks. Jerks carry guns too.
         
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          Push me or lay your hands on me and see what happens......My rule has always been that unless I know you no one gets inside arms length of me.You don't know what was being said or gestured by the "innocent" party that you so badly want to protect. More than likely he could have been a real POS who said he was going back to his car to get a gun....it's a chance you take when you decide to get physical with someone you don't know. Probably just another turd who's genes won't go on to have 4 more kids....
           
          • itsgr82bag8r

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            So, it’s safe to say you’re not really into that whole “facts” thing. More of a National Inquirer kind of guy!
             
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              And without audio we don't know if the pusher said something to the effect that he was going to get his gun....which is more than likely the case judging from the surroundings and actors involved....
               
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              I was actually thinking he may have said something like...you better shoot me because I'm going to kill you if you don't. After the gun was pulled.
               
            • AugustaGator

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              Changes everything if true IMO.
               
              • alcoholica

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                It won't change the outcome. Like DG said, the DA has the burden of proof, not the shooter.

                There seems to be some rift as to whether the shooter should be charged, among gun owners. I think this is a cautionary tale for many to heed. Whether or not you think he should be charged, it's very clear that law enforcement will side with those violently attacked in these circumstances. So you might as well assume that 1) everyone is armed and 2) don't go blindly attacking someone.

                I view this as those crimes that escalate. Law and Alex probably have hundreds of stories where some punk commits a misdemeanor, but in the process things go wrong and now there are felonies involved. The law doesn't say, "you're good, you only meant to commit a misdemeanor", no you get charged with a felony. Perfect example, what if the shooter fired a warning shot, but the warning shot hit someone and killed them. The shooter is screwed at that point. Well, this all stemmed from McGlockton using violence.

                What I haven't heard is what kind of medical condition the shooter was in. Was he injured as a result of the violence? Did he hit his head on the asphalt?

                Has anyone described what was going on off camera? We never saw the woman he was arguing with. Was she alone or were there others? During this time were they encouraging McGlockton to continue?

                For me none of that matters, but the fact that no one is asking those questions matters to me.
                 
              • AugustaGator

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                I speak/assess from a should vs legal perspective.

                I agree you accept the consequences when you lay your hands on someone in a threatening manner. This is what I was telling trex.
                 
                • Slug

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                  • alcoholica

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                    Well TRex is a buffoon. I have him on ignore because I get a headache reading the stupidity that comes from him.
                     
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                      WOuldn't expect any less coming from in here.
                       
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                      I notice you didn't say the same to these idiots. But again, I'm not surprised in here at all. The racial animus shown weekly on display is horrific. Emboldened.
                       
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                        racial animus?
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                      • Swamp Donkey

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                        ****rex has gone full angry brown man. But not for dead brown men in Chicago, SF, Detroit and Atl, you know the dozens that die every week.
                         
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