Strength and Conditioning (Savage)

Discussion in 'Main Sports Forum' started by Marine1, Nov 22, 2020.

  1. ergator920103

    Lifetime Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2014
    Messages:
    705
    Oxbucks:
    $403
    Ratings:
    +793 / -71
    Bama pushed us around all night long in the SEC Championship Game.
     
    • Swamp Donkey

      Swamp Donkey That's the sound your mother made last night
      Lifetime Member

      Joined:
      Jun 9, 2014
      Messages:
      69,968
      Oxbucks:
      $63,840
      Ratings:
      +95,953 / -6,564
      Bama could have scored 80 or 100 if they felt like it.

      they just didn't want to risk the injuries to the starters with a massively inferior opponent.
       
    • Swamp Donkey

      Swamp Donkey That's the sound your mother made last night
      Lifetime Member

      Joined:
      Jun 9, 2014
      Messages:
      69,968
      Oxbucks:
      $63,840
      Ratings:
      +95,953 / -6,564
      :lmao2: every Shorter catch involves him having a cornerback or linebacker draped all over him.

      ACL? I forget. sometimes those take 2 years to REALLY be back. it's easy to like his game but he had a kind of a special mojo with Trash. I hope he has the same thing with EJ but I haven't seen it when EJ was on the field.

      Actually I haven't seen the EJ look the pass much at all. We will see how much of that was Danball or EJ.
       
    • Gator By Marriage

      Gator By Marriage A convert to Gatorism
      Lifetime Member

      Joined:
      Dec 31, 2018
      Messages:
      7,828
      Oxbucks:
      $11,444
      Ratings:
      +13,211 / -210
      Where you been? We thought you was dead. (Or maybe turned into a toad.)
       
      • Like Like x 1
      • Funny Funny x 1
      • List
      • Swamp Donkey

        Swamp Donkey That's the sound your mother made last night
        Lifetime Member

        Joined:
        Jun 9, 2014
        Messages:
        69,968
        Oxbucks:
        $63,840
        Ratings:
        +95,953 / -6,564
        He has been part of the revolution.
         
        • divits

          divits A Muffin of the Studly Variety
          Lifetime Member

          Joined:
          Jun 13, 2014
          Messages:
          12,683
          Oxbucks:
          $12,482
          Ratings:
          +23,040 / -194
          With every new head coaching hire we hear how the new strength coach is a badass who is gonna' whip these guys into great shape and make them tough going into the fourth quarter and how the o-line is going to bulldoze the other teams' d-lines. And every time it seems that not much changes and we aren't physical and can't tackle guys one on one and our o-line can't create any push or make room to run.

          I'm convinced all you need to do to get hired as a strength coach these days is have a f**ked up voice with a bunch of nodes on your vocal cords from yelling all the time and wear tight shirts. o_O
           
          • Funny Funny x 3
          • Like Like x 2
          • List
          • neteng

            neteng Fuga!
            Lifetime Member

            Joined:
            Oct 15, 2018
            Messages:
            2,691
            Oxbucks:
            $4,785
            Ratings:
            +5,473 / -478
            I got no issues with Savage nor the job he is doing. I dont think us getting pushed around nor getting physically beat was a direct reflection on Savage as much as it is on recruiting and coaching.
             
            • Swamp Donkey

              Swamp Donkey That's the sound your mother made last night
              Lifetime Member

              Joined:
              Jun 9, 2014
              Messages:
              69,968
              Oxbucks:
              $63,840
              Ratings:
              +95,953 / -6,564
              If you play 220 pound "Ends" vs a 320-340lb SEC OT, he is going to get destroyed almost every running play, period. I dont gice damn how much S&C you have. Those OTs have S&C too.
               
              • neteng

                neteng Fuga!
                Lifetime Member

                Joined:
                Oct 15, 2018
                Messages:
                2,691
                Oxbucks:
                $4,785
                Ratings:
                +5,473 / -478
                And thats my point. Seems like some here throwing Savage some shade but in honesty he has done a pretty good job of putting lipstick on the pigs. Unless your doping and getting around tests, there isn't a whole lot of rocket science involved with the S&C of a football team. Our team has been for the most part very healthy and in shape. Butter years we faded big time in the 2nd half of all our games. We haven't done that since then and actually look better (in shape) late in games.

                Our problem is defensive scheme and recruiting. At this point, if Savage was given a bigger team with some nutritionists I think he would be able to do a better job but other than that I don't think he really can do much more than he is doing.
                 
                • Theologator

                  Theologator Enchanter
                  Lifetime Member

                  Joined:
                  Aug 11, 2015
                  Messages:
                  5,468
                  Oxbucks:
                  $7,939
                  Ratings:
                  +9,064 / -123
                  Good point. LSU is my reflexive thought - most years it’s the first big game since Ut folded.
                   
                • Swamp Donkey

                  Swamp Donkey That's the sound your mother made last night
                  Lifetime Member

                  Joined:
                  Jun 9, 2014
                  Messages:
                  69,968
                  Oxbucks:
                  $63,840
                  Ratings:
                  +95,953 / -6,564
                  With Mullinz, UK is always dangerous. He is one FF injury away from being 1-2 or 0-3
                   
                  • BMF

                    BMF Bad Mother....
                    Lifetime Member

                    Joined:
                    Sep 8, 2014
                    Messages:
                    17,678
                    Oxbucks:
                    $20,997
                    Ratings:
                    +28,762 / -436
                    I'd say Savage has done the job that is expected of an SEC S&C coach. When he was hired at UF he had 1+ years at MSU as a head S&C coach. These guys are basically using the same techniques, go to the same clinics, share ideas, etc. The job is about motivation mostly. I'd like to see some of our guys put on more weight, but that's probably more on the nutrition staff.
                     
                  • Swamp Donkey

                    Swamp Donkey That's the sound your mother made last night
                    Lifetime Member

                    Joined:
                    Jun 9, 2014
                    Messages:
                    69,968
                    Oxbucks:
                    $63,840
                    Ratings:
                    +95,953 / -6,564
                    I disagree. it's still on recruiting. if you see some guy the size of Moon you know he's never going to fill out to defensive end size. Most of our Rush ends are just too damn skinny to ever play defensive line in the SEC. these 210 lb skinnies are never going to get to 300 ish lbs.

                    Alabama will line up at 312, 305, and 295 according to this: Will Anderson Jr. | Alabama | Scouting Report

                    That is what an SEC DL (and future pro) DL looks like.

                    BTW the next three are 295, 320, and 326. Their backup NT, Tim Smith, would be the best guy on our defensive line.
                     
                    #73 Swamp Donkey, Apr 22, 2021
                    Last edited: Apr 22, 2021
                    • BMF

                      BMF Bad Mother....
                      Lifetime Member

                      Joined:
                      Sep 8, 2014
                      Messages:
                      17,678
                      Oxbucks:
                      $20,997
                      Ratings:
                      +28,762 / -436
                      Well, Alabama does sign smaller WDE's/Buck/Rush ends out of HS, they seem to add the needed weight. Keanu Koht is listed at 215 (from their 2021 class), from their 2020 class they signed a 220lb'er. We just recruited too many of the 210-220ish. We didn't really sign one in the last class, unless Williams plays the position.

                      Guys like Summerall, Reese, Diabate, Moon, even Cox (who came in at 250+) haven't put on the needed weight.
                       
                    • Swamp Donkey

                      Swamp Donkey That's the sound your mother made last night
                      Lifetime Member

                      Joined:
                      Jun 9, 2014
                      Messages:
                      69,968
                      Oxbucks:
                      $63,840
                      Ratings:
                      +95,953 / -6,564
                      They sign one flyweight a class maybe. we were 12 deep, and I think we're 10 deep now. And they dont play them as a hand in the dirt DE.

                      Without going too deep in nuances of Saban's two gap technique with real DTs vs versus Fat Dwags 1 gap 4 man front, suffice it to say that there's a reason one wins championships and the other gets fired/ laughed out of town.

                      The buck linebacker in Saban (or Muskrat) defense is essentially just a blitz backer. Although they often call our Rush a linebacker they almost never line up at linebacker or play linebacker. They're just a tiny ass defensive end trying to hold the edge one on one versus an SEC OT.
                       
                      • B52G8rAC

                        B52G8rAC Well-Known Member
                        Lifetime Member

                        Joined:
                        Feb 15, 2016
                        Messages:
                        1,112
                        Oxbucks:
                        $1,487
                        Ratings:
                        +2,172 / -97
                        Just to stay in the vein of "student athletes", the NCAA should prohibit any player from participating that exceeds the maximum recommended weight as defined by the Metropolitan Life Tables. That rule would fix so many things wrong with college sports. Just an example: a 74' tall 21 year old could not weigh more that 178 pounds. https://somepomed.org/articulos/contents/mobipreview.htm?8/44/8905
                         
                        • BMF

                          BMF Bad Mother....
                          Lifetime Member

                          Joined:
                          Sep 8, 2014
                          Messages:
                          17,678
                          Oxbucks:
                          $20,997
                          Ratings:
                          +28,762 / -436
                          They already have that - it's called "Sprint Football":

                          https://www.sprintfootball.com/
                           
                        • B52G8rAC

                          B52G8rAC Well-Known Member
                          Lifetime Member

                          Joined:
                          Feb 15, 2016
                          Messages:
                          1,112
                          Oxbucks:
                          $1,487
                          Ratings:
                          +2,172 / -97
                          Now that's what I'm talking about. Send that link to Dr. Fuchs. Bet there aren't even scholies involved. Win Win Win for the UAA, UF, and students.
                           
                          • BMF

                            BMF Bad Mother....
                            Lifetime Member

                            Joined:
                            Sep 8, 2014
                            Messages:
                            17,678
                            Oxbucks:
                            $20,997
                            Ratings:
                            +28,762 / -436
                            A friend of mine from the fire department had a son who played it at the Naval Academy. He's usually around 200lbs and had to get down to 178 (to 183 - they raise the weight as the season goes on, like wrestling). I never watched a game, but I imagine it's pretty good (but different).
                             
                          • B52G8rAC

                            B52G8rAC Well-Known Member
                            Lifetime Member

                            Joined:
                            Feb 15, 2016
                            Messages:
                            1,112
                            Oxbucks:
                            $1,487
                            Ratings:
                            +2,172 / -97
                            And I would bet the life changing injuries are rare too. Just so everyone knows, the sarcasm flag in full view. But there is room to talk about physical limits on college athletes, particularly football players. God didn't design our bodies for the mayhem inflected by a 320 pound DT running at full speed into anyone or even the stress on his body caused by getting there.
                             

                          Share This Page

                          The Box

                          Help

                          You don't have the necessary permissions to use the chat.

                            1. There are currently no users chatting.
                              • About Us

                                Our community sprung up when the Gatorsports message board was shut down in the summer of 2014. We pride ourselves on offering Gator-biased, yet critical discussion among people of all different backgrounds. We are working every day to make sure our community is the best Gator message board you will find.
                              • Like us on Facebook

                              • Buy us a Zima!

                                The management works very hard to make sure the community is running the best software, best designs, and all the other bells and whistles. Care to buy us a non-alcoholic Zima? We'd really appreciate it! Just click the "Donate" tab at the top of the page.