Tass: Russia, China to sign agreement on payments in national currencies

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  1. Taco Gratis

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    This doesn't matter if you don't understand velocity of money and holding US reserves, otherwise, it's kinda important.
     
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      1. Russia gdp is really small
      2. I'm still not convinced that the world slowly moving to other forms of currency denominated transactions will bring the catastrophic consequences predicted by some.

      This has already been happening for some time.

      Countries like the UK haven't fallen apart. They can still get reasonably priced debt.
       
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      Would this have hampered those bribes to Hillary?
       
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      You subscribe to the view that humans are likely causing significant climate change, correct?

      1. Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions, why worry?
      2. Like Climate Change, this is likely a non-linear relationship. It seems slow, until it isn't.
      3. We've been adding CO2 for some time.
      4. The catastrophe hasn't happened like the doomsayers said it would, so everything is good.
       
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      Correct... they are just irrelevant. The one thing the were #1 at was banking/finance, but they've lost that mantle too.
       
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      No. With climate change there is at least a theoretical danger/ negative outcome. I'm not sure that having other countries use other currencies is in itself that big of a deal.

      While I do get there are advantages to being the world's reserve currency, I don't think slowly losing that status is a catastrophic thing.


      As to whether we are economically relevant, that is more the size of our economy vs whether the dollar denominates 25%, 50% or 75% of the world's transaction.

      Now if you can articulate that I'm wrong I'm all ears.
       
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      You are wrong.

      Articulate enough?
       
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        I think what DG is saying about velocity of money is similar to market momentum and volume that we hear about in real estate markets. Correct me if I’m misrepresenting DG.

        So in 2004, 2005, etc., the prices and value meant something because there was volume behind them. Two years ago and even today that volume just isn’t there, but it is growing. Point being is that value holds less weight with less volume.

        So if the USD transactions occur less, the less stable the currency becomes. While not a huge deal now, down the road you could see volatility in exchange rates and the currency as a whole. And then the question of who becomes the benchmark and are they currency manipulators and so on.
         
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        As a percentage of gdp, it is hardly noticeable.
         
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          [QUOTE="Politigator, post: 903405, member: 2214]
          Now if you can articulate that I'm wrong I'm all ears.[/QUOTE]

          But your ears seem non-existent.
           
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          Meh.

          US gdp as a percent of world gdp has gone from 40% to less than 25% over 50 years. Mainly due to China and other rapidly emerging markets. So even if the the dollar percent of world transactions declines slowly, it doesn't mean the dollar volume actually decreases (and I'm skeptical of this whole less dollars= velocity crash = squirrel ranch scenario anyway)

          U.S. Role In Global Economy Declines Nearly 50%
           
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          As somebody repeatedly posts:

          "Typical"
           
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          Volume of transactions, not total dollars. Basic concept of capitalist markets
           
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          No, what’s “typical” is that after 15 years, you still claim to “not get it” all while posting the same reasons why it doesn’t matter.

          Typical.

          See the difference?

          Lemme guess... also after 15 years, you still don’t understand how it allows us to export our inflation either? And even is you did, you’d “suspect” that that was unimportant as well... at least theoretically
           
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            Actually, it’s both, but your earlier post was basically correct.
             
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            They have the 5th largest global GDP and while Brexit uncertainty has seen some shifting about banking/finance, London is still either #1 or a close #2 across most financial hub metrics.
             
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            Yes, that’s what I said.
             
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            Listen. You clearly don't get it. We have two quasi adversaries who have decided to transact their business in something other than US dollars. If you can't see this as a sign of the coming apocalypse then accept the fact you are stupid and doomed.
             
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