The Heisman Thread

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Right now, the best odds to win the Heisman are with Cam Ward, Travis Hunter, Dillon Gabriel, Ashton Jeanty, Jaxson Dart, Kurtis Rourke, Shedur Sanders, Jalen Milroe, Cade Klubnick, Quinn Ewers, Garrett Nussmeier, and Carson Beck (in that order).

Well, that list sucks ass. It might be the worst list of Heisman candidates ever.

Cam is a Cane so fcuk him, but he also hasn't played anybody (our D was trash until after the first bye). Hunter gets credit for being a two-way player and he has some spectacular plays but he isn't consistently a great lock-down corner or a great dominating reciever. Dillon Gabriel is a 17th year senior playing for his 17th team. Nobody has actually seen Ashton Jeanty play. Jaxson's momma disqualified him when she spelled his name that way. Rourke's team won big without him (and most folks don't even know he plays for Indiana). Shedur, as we know, is a frog's testicle. The rest are even worse.

Personally, I think the 2 players who stand out the most this pitiful year for the Heisman are Cam Ward and Ashton Jeanty. However, I am a Gator which means that my vote would go to Jeanty and Cam's name would not appear anywhere on my ballot 'cause fcuk him and every Cane ever (except for DaytonaCane who I love dearly, may she rest in peace).

There's a name missing though. Nowhere on the list. He may not have earned the right to hoist the stiff arm trophy but I think he damn well deserves a flight to NYC and a seat in the front row with the other finalists--and that's Diego Fcuking Pavia. I don't give a damn about his statistics, nobody has meant more to his team than that kid.

The criteria for winning the Heisman is...the most OUTSTANDING college football player. You can't tell me the undisputed leader of that Vandy team isn't more deserving than most of the losers on that list.

So if I had a ballot, Pavia's name would absolutely be on it. Maybe Jeanty, Gabriel, and Pavia in that order.

Who you got this year?



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Hunter

I hate all things Deion and Colorado, but the kid is the best player in the country.
 

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Travis Hunter. He’s the best player in the country and it’s not particularly close.

He’s averaging something like 130 snaps a game. That’s insane.
 

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Hunter or Jeanty.

They are both one-man wrecking crews.
 

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First, not one single, solitary vote for Ward, not even for third place. Well done, lads. :proud:

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Second, all of you voting for Hunter, ok, I get it, I guess, but you should probably shower and get that Deion stink off of you. Dude has had 2 interceptions this year, and 8 touchdowns as a receiver. He still has half a season to go, but Ahmad Black had 7 picks in 2008 and didn't even win the Thorpe and Reidel had 18 touchdowns in 1996 and didn't even win the Biletnikoff.

But he's doing both? Ok, but is he excelling at both or is he doing both above average? Lots of non-QB winners have excelled on their side of the ball and on special teams.

Think how Hunter's year compares to Charles Woodson (the only defensive player to win) or Champ Bailey (who didn't even win) or Deion himself (who didn't win either). Woodson and Sanders were electric in the return game.

Or compare him the the WR who have won (I remember Tim Brown, Desmond Howard, and an undeserving DeVonta Smith). Desmond Howard was elite on special teams. Rocket Ismail didn't win it and he was a force on special teams too. Guys like Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, and Michael Crabtree put up enormous numbers, dwarfing Hunter's numbers, and they didn't win either.

I get the value to his team, and he is talented, but Ndamkong Suh didn't win and Hugh Green didn't win and Steve Emtman didn't win and those guys absolutely dominated opposing offenses.

If your analogue is Charles Woodson, he was an elite cornerback, elite on special teams, and played a little WR. Hunter is a very good cornerback, doesn't play special teams, and a very good WR. I'm not feeling it.




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First, not one single, solitary vote for Ward, not even for third place. Well done, lads. :proud:

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Second, all of you voting for Hunter, ok, I get it, I guess, but you should probably shower and get that Deion stink off of you. Dude has had 2 interceptions this year, and 8 touchdowns as a receiver. He still has half a season to go, but Ahmad Black had 7 picks in 2008 and didn't even win the Thorpe and Reidel had 18 touchdowns in 1996 and didn't even win the Biletnikoff.

But he's doing both? Ok, but is he excelling at both or is he doing both above average? Lots of non-QB winners have excelled on their side of the ball and on special teams.

Think how Hunter's year compares to Charles Woodson (the only defensive player to win) or Champ Bailey (who didn't even win) or Deion himself (who didn't win either). Woodson and Sanders were electric in the return game.

Or compare him the the WR who have won (I remember Tim Brown, Desmond Howard, and an undeserving DeVonta Smith). Desmond Howard was elite on special teams. Rocket Ismail didn't win it and he was a force on special teams too. Guys like Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, and Michael Crabtree put up enormous numbers, dwarfing Hunter's numbers, and they didn't win either.

I get the value to his team, and he is talented, but Ndamkong Suh didn't win and Hugh Green didn't win and Steve Emtman didn't win and those guys absolutely dominated opposing offenses.

If your analogue is Charles Woodson, he was an elite cornerback, elite on special teams, and played a little WR. Hunter is a very good cornerback, doesn't play special teams, and a very good WR. I'm not feeling it.




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Well, I don’t think any of those guys were playing nearly the amount of snaps that Hunter is playing. But regardless, he’s not competing against those guys. He’s competing against the guys this year. And I don’t think any of them are even in the same class as him.

This is a terrible Heisman class.
 

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Well, I don’t think any of those guys were playing nearly the amount of snaps that Hunter is playing. But regardless, he’s not competing against those guys. He’s competing against the guys this year. And I don’t think any of them are even in the same class as him.

This is a terrible Heisman class.

Counterpoint:

Given how bad this class is, you cast your ballot as follows:

First Place: Jim Brown (who dominated and didn't win because of his race)
Second Place: Hugh Green (who dominated and didn't win because of his position)
Third Place: Rex Grossman (who dominated and didn't win because of his class)






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Might as well add Alex Mastromanno the punter at FSU. Without him they would be even worse and he's got the best average in the country.
 

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Counterpoint:

Given how bad this class is, you cast your ballot as follows:

First Place: Jim Brown (who dominated and didn't win because of his race)
Second Place: Hugh Green (who dominated and didn't win because of his position)
Third Place: Rex Grossman (who dominated and didn't win because of his class)






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Counter counter point. The media has been all over Travis Hunter. He is a bit of a media darling. I don’t see the same outcome happening.
 

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Counter counter point. The media has been all over Travis Hunter. He is a bit of a media darling. I don’t see the same outcome happening.
Heisman voting tends to be regional.

2 candidates on the same team or in the same region tend to split the vote.

Given Boise’s proximity to Colorado and Frog’s Testicle Shedur…and given no real viable SEC or Big 10 candidates…and given Miami’s cream puff schedule and Cristobal’s willingness to RUTS late to pad stats and appeal to voters who haven’t seen him…it’s looking like Cam has a big advantage unless he totally sh!ts the bed in the ACC Championship Game.

And I REALLY hope I’m wrong.



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Heisman voting tends to be regional.

2 candidates on the same team or in the same region tend to split the vote.

Given Boise’s proximity to Colorado and Frog’s Testicle Shedur…and given no real viable SEC or Big 10 candidates…and given Miami’s cream puff schedule and Cristobal’s willingness to RUTS late to pad stats and appeal to voters who haven’t seen him…it’s looking like Cam has a big advantage unless he totally sh!ts the bed in the ACC Championship Game.

And I REALLY hope I’m wrong.



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Well, that would just be sad.
 

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OK, I will grudgingly admit Travis Hunter looks pretty Heisman-ish against Utah today.

Cam’s hopes took a hit last week with that Miami loss to GaTech. Hope they keep losing.


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I get to meet Ashton Jeanty this evening. From all we are told, he is a great kid - even better than he is a player.
 

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I get to meet Ashton Jeanty this evening. From all we are told, he is a great kid - even better than he is a player.

Are you saying that you are even more biased than before? :grin:

For the record- Jeanty should win it.

But Hunter plays well on both sides of the ball.

Gonna be a close one.
 

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