The Myth of Democratic Socialism

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  1. Zambo

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    • g8tr72

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      Thanks for sharing.

      That should be required reading for next year's middle school students and those running for the Democratic Presidential nomination.
       
      • NOLAGATOR

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        The only thing that hurts Capitalism and Libertarianism is possibly greed and/or lack of compassion.

        If you combine a Judeo/Christian Ethic & Morality it’s un-beatable.
         
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          It should be role of churches and charities to support those in need. Not the role of government.
           
          • Politigator

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            I'm not proposing a Nordic or European model, but just to keep the conversation 2 sided:

            - they site US GDP per capita stats as evidence of our superiority, but GDP per capita is an average, and is skewed by those who make lots of money as the US income inequality is so much higher

            - In the US, we work more, and take less vacations. That is neither good or bad, it depends on what is important, but the result is higher US GDP.

            It generally works for them. I don't think it would work for us because we are by nature more entrepreneurial and more incentive motivated and comparatively less concerned about fairness and equality and more concerned with the upward potential.

            The thing that will send us European style is if people feel the upwards potential is gone. Both Trump and Sanders pushing the narrative that the system is rigged don't help at all.
             
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            That's your opinion, man. Unfortunately most people don't agree with you.
             
          • Durty South Swamp

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            Wait, you mean to tell me a society that places an emphasis on hard work vice vacations and "equality" results in higher GDP? GTFOH...

            :facepalm:
             
            • rogdochar

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              .... mythstep after mythstep. I'd be interested in seeing how their politicians increase their wealth after being in office. What is the average career length in years. Is government function a'swirl with lobbyists? What's their immigration policies? How much has their space program cost them? How many starving African children have they fed? What's the estimated waste and fraud costs of various programs? How much funds do they lose track of? And do they just shrug and not expect to locate it or hold people accountable?
               
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                Wait are you saying GDP isn't the end-all be-all metric? Your cousin is not going to be happy.
                 
                • AugustaGator

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                  Telling the truth doesn’t help?
                   
                • AugustaGator

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                  Very insightful. But implied was we have a lower efficiency.
                   
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                  Good summary, thanks. Norway as an example is tremendously skewed by oil revenue. We might as well say we need to emulate The Persian Gulf states’ Islamic monarchies, economically.

                  The Nordic countries also have much smaller and more homogenous populations. Cultural assumptions are much more established, which imparts stability in policy design and implementation etc. They are much less prone to the bat crap crazy stuff we see all the time. If you know any Nordic types you’ll get this. They tend to be very reserved, sane, thoughtful, dull, etc. It’s in their bones.

                  And they don’t keep sea trade routes open and secure for the entire world. They just aren’t comparable.
                   
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                    I’ve written elsewhere about the poor reporting and study of income inequality. Most often they omit government policy effects (taxes and welfare of various forms.)

                    That said, assuming income inequality is indeed rising to unprecedented levels here and/or abroad, it is also a stone cold fact that worldwide poverty has dropped at an incredible rate, faster than even the UN’s goals, and is at record lows.
                    Global poverty rate drops to record low 10%: World Bank

                    There is a ton of public, religious and private effort supporting that. But we need resources to do that. I think that implies that larger, healthier geese produce more golden eggs which help more people.

                    On a micro level, I’m involved with my church in supporting and developing a small village in Honduras. We’re sending kids to school, paying for medical care for some people with chronic conditions and aiding them in establishing some agricultural improvements and small business ventures. We couldn’t do that without 1. Establishing the goal for our folks to support and 2. Our folks having the resources to send the aid and guidance.
                     
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                      In principle I agree with him, but I don’t see how to put that genie back in the bottle in our increasingly secularized culture.

                      The churches gave rise to social policies and programs. Progressives ought to remember and nurture their roots, not destroy them. That is among Marx’s worst (of many) errors.
                       
                    • oxrageous

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                      When has Trump pushed the narrative that the system is rigged? Link?

                      Making stuff up demolishes any points you made elsewhere.
                       
                    • AugustaGator

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                      Passive aggressive is the appropriate term.
                       
                      • AugustaGator

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                        Where have been? He spoke about the election system being rigged at least a half dozen times. He has alluded to judicial system and government in general too imo. Part of his overall message for the little guy.
                         
                      • oxrageous

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                        He wasn’t talking about the election system, he was talking about the economic system.

                        Try and keep up.
                         
                        • Swamp Donkey

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                          You dont have a fvkking clue what GDP is, do you?
                           
                        • Detroitgator

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                          The other crap myth about income equality is that it is used as if “the 1%” is a fixed population that never changes.
                           

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