Recruiting Transfer Portal: Bowman transfers to UCF

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Probably your best post ever to this point. Notice how you didn’t say too much and let the picture(not Gif) do the talking. Way more effective. Try that more often. Also consider not posting at all. Another plus.
If Blue don't post, how can we make him a better person - like we done for all us others on here.?
 

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As much as we need a LB, we don't need one for this year. Miller, Black, Wingo, scoobie, Burney are likely a very solid 5 and that's not even considering a stud freshman. Same likely goes for Singeltary although he def could win a job. Marshall is a lock and there are a number of legit guys for the other side that'd be hard for a true freshman to pass, bc they had a Spring.
 

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As much as we need a LB, we don't need one for this year. Miller, Black, Wingo, scoobie, Burney are likely a very solid 5 and that's not even considering a stud freshman. Same likely goes for Singeltary although he def could win a job. Marshall is a lock and there are a number of legit guys for the other side that'd be hard for a true freshman to pass, bc they had a Spring.
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As much as we need a LB, we don't need one for this year. Miller, Black, Wingo, scoobie, Burney are likely a very solid 5 and that's not even considering a stud freshman. Same likely goes for Singeltary although he def could win a job. Marshall is a lock and there are a number of legit guys for the other side that'd be hard for a true freshman to pass, bc they had a Spring.

2022 roster has only a few seniors and redshirt seniors sprinkled throughout. We won’t lose too many bodies even if some juniors leave, but the numbers will start to thin after next year of recruiting does not pick back up at LB. We have eight guys now listed as TE and all are relatively young. Curious to see what guys who redshirted last year will bring to the table….
 

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2022 roster has only a few seniors and redshirt seniors sprinkled throughout. We won’t lose too many bodies even if some juniors leave, but the numbers will start to thin after next year of recruiting does not pick back up at LB. We have eight guys now listed as TE and all are relatively young. Curious to see what guys who redshirted last year will bring to the table….
Gotta think we lose Miller and Burney and could easily lose a Wingo or Black with a big year. Unless my math is off, you'd need 2-3 next cycle with at least one or two ready to go and no sign of beating miami or uga for any. Possible, but Perkins would be huge IMO.

That TE spot will definitely be interesting in Fall. 8 is a good # for two spots IF they're all TEs.
 

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Gotta think we lose Miller and Burney and could easily lose a Wingo or Black with a big year. Unless my math is off, you'd need 2-3 next cycle with at least one or two ready to go and no sign of beating miami or uga for any. Possible, but Perkins would be huge IMO.

That TE spot will definitely be interesting in Fall. 8 is a good # for two spots IF they're all TEs.
I think you may be overly concerned...I am sure they know what they'll need. Our Defense was atrocious the last 2 years...now I think that was Grantham but...
Again...recruiting is not over.
 

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I'm gonna be the minority here but I hope we don't take em. They had their chance. If we continue to take transfers like this, what incentive does any top recruiting have to sign with us on signing day? I'd tell the little fockers to piss off.
 

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I'm gonna be the minority here but I hope we don't take em. They had their chance. If we continue to take transfers like this, what incentive does any top recruiting have to sign with us on signing day? I'd tell the little fockers to piss off.

I’ve said this about the portal since the beginning. You already had kids spending the recruiting process having fun, taking free OVs, trolling fan bases on social media, etc. instead of recognizing it as a critical decision in their lives. Giving them at least one free pass was only going to make matters worse.

Having said that, we have to play the cards we’re dealt and the portal is part of that. And especially in year 1 of a transition from a coach who didn’t bother to recruit. I consider a guy like Singletary to be similar to Lingard. Would you have joined last year’s defensive unit? He may have wanted to be here all along. Both are takes all day.
 

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There’s no telling what level of weirdness on Kelly’s part has got Perkins running for the hills.

We need some quality at lb especially after this season is over, so come on home son. It’s safer here….
 

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I'm gonna be the minority here but I hope we don't take em. They had their chance. If we continue to take transfers like this, what incentive does any top recruiting have to sign with us on signing day? I'd tell the little fockers to piss off.
It's the times we live in...Bama takes both...UGA...Napier inherited feces...let's judge his recruiting after we see the product on the field...and let me add not W&L...discipline, fight, effort, and execution.
We had talent in the past...it's worthless without coaching...and recruits know it.
 

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I think you may be overly concerned...I am sure they know what they'll need. Our Defense was atrocious the last 2 years...now I think that was Grantham but...
Again...recruiting is not over.
Lol. i know, I know... everything is gonna be fine. But those are the #s they want based on how theyre recruiting. Its a a pretty objective thing.
 
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Lol. i know, I know... everything is gonna be fine. But those are the #s they want based on how theyre recruiting. Its a a pretty objective thing.
@ltraz I greatly appreciate your knowledge and insight. I've seen what Napier had done at UL...I know it's not the SEC but he was well liked, respected and became a force even with non-top talent. He appears to adapt.

SOS came in with cabinets full, as did Meyer, as well as Chump. I look at Jimbo and want none of that. You said Kiffin? Gundy? They are way behind Napier?



I look forward to your, net, and cover2's views in 6 weeks.

AND...we have a ways to go.
 

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@ltraz I greatly appreciate your knowledge and insight. I've seen what Napier had done at UL...I know it's not the SEC but he was well liked, respected and became a force even with non-top talent. He appears to adapt.
Look at it like a coaching search firm would...

First you'd want some sort of comp...
Mike NorveLLLL was 38-15 at memphis. CBN was 40-12 at ULL. NorveLLLL's 4th year, he went 3-0 against ranked teams with memphis talent and his only loss was 2 points to temple. CBN's 4th year he didn't beat a ranked team, but his only loss was to #21 texas. But NorveLLLL only had 4 1-score wins. CBN had 7. We'd have to check if any of those were garbage time (which you'd then count as a 2-score win), but it's very , very significant if no, bc it greatly increases the chances of it not being reproducible.

Then you'd try and figure out how that exact recipe would translate to UF in different scenarios. In the scenario of him not getting to uga, miami level of recruiting, it'd go something like this (the point shift is 100% hypothetical)....
You take his 4th year and I think texas was the only team with more talent than him that season. That's when it gets scary as a Gator. Bc they'd figure out how to adjust points based on the expected talent gaps The Gators will face in the scenario that he can't recruit to the level of all but one team. Let's say they give it a 4 pt shift. 3 of those games are losses and 1 goes to overtime. So then youre saying his coaching would get him 8-5 or 9-4 in his 4th year with 'his guys' here.

I get that he was liked and respected, but as someone that worked with Zook, I saw first hand how far that gets you. Becoming a winning force is the only thing that matters, but it's also where there's doubt to anyone that goes by the stats.
SOS came in with cabinets full, as did Meyer, as well as Chump. I look at Jimbo and want none of that. You said Kiffin? Gundy? They are way behind Napier?
You keep saying that any time someone mentions those names, but you keep not getting the context. Gundy, especially, is someone that comes up as a guy that can win with less talent, bc he's done it consistently at the P5 level. He went 12-2 last year. Where it differs is that okie, ut, ND, tcu and baylor had more talent (247) and he went 5-1 in those games only losing to baylor in a rematch. He was a yard short of probably going to the playoffs with the 47th most talented team in the country. Kiffin is to a much lesser extent, but he went 10-3 and beat 3 teams with more talent and his 'bad loss' was to #7 baylor in a bowl when his QB got hurt. That's why they're brought up. If you have to a pick a coach to go against uga or bama's talent with the current Gator talent, nobody picks CBN, bc he hasn't shown he can beat more talented teams. He's shown he can build a G5 team that's too much for the rest of the conference
 

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Look at it like a coaching search firm would...

First you'd want some sort of comp...
Mike NorveLLLL was 38-15 at memphis. CBN was 40-12 at ULL. NorveLLLL's 4th year, he went 3-0 against ranked teams with memphis talent and his only loss was 2 points to temple. CBN's 4th year he didn't beat a ranked team, but his only loss was to #21 texas. But NorveLLLL only had 4 1-score wins. CBN had 7. We'd have to check if any of those were garbage time (which you'd then count as a 2-score win), but it's very , very significant if no, bc it greatly increases the chances of it not being reproducible.

Then you'd try and figure out how that exact recipe would translate to UF in different scenarios. In the scenario of him not getting to uga, miami level of recruiting, it'd go something like this (the point shift is 100% hypothetical)....
You take his 4th year and I think texas was the only team with more talent than him that season. That's when it gets scary as a Gator. Bc they'd figure out how to adjust points based on the expected talent gaps The Gators will face in the scenario that he can't recruit to the level of all but one team. Let's say they give it a 4 pt shift. 3 of those games are losses and 1 goes to overtime. So then youre saying his coaching would get him 8-5 or 9-4 in his 4th year with 'his guys' here.

I get that he was liked and respected, but as someone that worked with Zook, I saw first hand how far that gets you. Becoming a winning force is the only thing that matters, but it's also where there's doubt to anyone that goes by the stats.

You keep saying that any time someone mentions those names, but you keep not getting the context. Gundy, especially, is someone that comes up as a guy that can win with less talent, bc he's done it consistently at the P5 level. He went 12-2 last year. Where it differs is that okie, ut, ND, tcu and baylor had more talent (247) and he went 5-1 in those games only losing to baylor in a rematch. He was a yard short of probably going to the playoffs with the 47th most talented team in the country. Kiffin is to a much lesser extent, but he went 10-3 and beat 3 teams with more talent and his 'bad loss' was to #7 baylor in a bowl when his QB got hurt. That's why they're brought up. If you have to a pick a coach to go against uga or bama's talent with the current Gator talent, nobody picks CBN, bc he hasn't shown he can beat more talented teams. He's shown he can build a G5 team that's too much for the rest of the conference

But you have not even allowed a game to play. My pick was Kerwin Bell...He has won everywhere...given time...BUT that ain't happening. I first wanted Kiffin of the guys we were considering.

So your gripe is it what?... Sun Belt...? Yet he was at Bama and Clemson. I get it you don't like him. I do. SOS came from Duke and USFL...Really?

I was not sold on Muschump...I hated his temper and sideline antics and no offense. I was okay with Butters but he seemed over his head...I accepted Cousin Eddie but he was my last choice...I was told he has/had massive character issues

So who?

You know we are also dealing with UF Administration...EVERY time I bring that up I'm considered hijacking. But y'all tell me...would UF accept a Kiffin? A Leach?...another Meyer? Auburn took Cam. LSU has players that academically could never qualify at UF. Jimbo had Winston...really?
 

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But you have not even allowed a game to play. My pick was Kerwin Bell...He has won everywhere...given time...BUT that ain't happening. I first wanted Kiffin of the guys we were considering.
lol, this is the second time in as many days you've brought up me 'allowing' it. We're not allowing anything. We're talking football, bc there's nothing else to do in the off-season.
So your gripe is it what?... Sun Belt...? Yet he was at Bama and Clemson. I get it you don't like him. I do. SOS came from Duke and USFL...Really?
Again, why are you twisting it to a 'gripe'. It's simply a discussion on good and bad. He was one of my top picks IF he had the resources to recruit, but I wasn't in his contract discussions. He's nowhere near my top if he doesn't, bc of the stats I just showed. But again, I'm just being honest and not pretending like his time at bama as a wr coach or clemson....where he was fired...is a pro and more impressive than SOS as a HC for 6 years. Like why do you do stuff like bring up CBN at bama where he was a WR coach, but not SOS at UF where he was QB/WR?
You know we are also dealing with UF Administration...EVERY time I bring that up I'm considered hijacking.
We've all brought up the admin. It's been mentioned every single day for weeks. When was the last time you got called out?
 

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I'm gonna be the minority here but I hope we don't take em. They had their chance. If we continue to take transfers like this, what incentive does any top recruiting have to sign with us on signing day? I'd tell the little fockers to piss off.
I suspect you are going to not only be in the minority, but a very lonely minority at that. While I suspect this is just smoke, and neither ends up transferring here, I'd take either or both in a heartbeat. Perhaps one day, CBN will build the roster to point where incoming transfers will not be needed, but I doubt he ever completely shuts off the valve. Saban and Shart currently have the most talented rosters in the SEC, and arguably in all of CFB, yet both happily take in a transfer if the guy is talented enough at a position of need. My hope is that we too will have the luxury one day of being highly selective.
 

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lol, this is the second time in as many days you've brought up me 'allowing' it. We're not allowing anything. We're talking football, bc there's nothing else to do in the off-season.

Again, why are you twisting it to a 'gripe'. It's simply a discussion on good and bad. He was one of my top picks IF he had the resources to recruit, but I wasn't in his contract discussions. He's nowhere near my top if he doesn't, bc of the stats I just showed. But again, I'm just being honest and not pretending like his time at bama as a wr coach or clemson....where he was fired...is a pro and more impressive than SOS as a HC for 6 years. Like why do you do stuff like bring up CBN at bama where he was a WR coach, but not SOS at UF where he was QB/WR?

We've all brought up the admin. It's been mentioned every single day for weeks. When was the last time you got called out?

Chill brother:

Napier was at Bama twice...as an analyst and a WR coach. I know Napier did not have the same resume' that SOS had...but I heard it all about SOS.

You don't like the pick...I get it.
 

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