Trump: yeah, um, maybe Russia was involved in the hacking

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  1. Okeechobee Joe

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    The flawed candidate Hillary Clinton and the American people in the red states who were fed up with the Obama administration had a lot more to do with the election of Donald Trump than Vladimir Putin or the Russians ever did. The Russians were not game changers in the US election. They may have hacked into the DNC computers but they also tried to hack into the RNC computers. Hacking into DNC computers is not the same as changing the outcome of the US election.
     
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      One small thing, factual information about private conversations most likely obtained illegally, potentially by a foreign government. That information was then used in a coordinated campaign to influence a US presidential election.

      The dems made their own bed, but don't sweep the significance of this under the rug.
       
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      Yes, hacking is illegal :crazy:

      Every country attempts to hack every other major country. Everybody knows that. There is nothing being swept under the rug by me. Read the rest of my post that you didn't bold.

      I want the dirty mutha fckers in our government out, and i don't give a **** what party the supposedly represent!
       
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      I nearly didn't make it out alive from the voting booth what with all the Russian hackers manipulating my vote and all......
       
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        They hack. We hack. Everybody hacks. If our elections need more security from Russian hackers then work on preventing it. Just quit crying over spilt milk. It's not going to fly.
         
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          Of course, they didn't hack the actual election, just released information the dems doesn't want the general public to know.

          As I said before, I'll say again, it WILL happen to the republicans eventually.

          I want all the weasels out!
           
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            If true Russia is more American than Dems.
             
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            We've been hacked over 10 times since 2008. Where has the outrage been? I would like to see proof the Russkies hacked us I read that the DNC did not turn over their servers to the FBI. Hmmm. If somehow Russia hacked us it had no bearing on the election since the msm did not cover wikileaks and our election was not online.
             
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            The specific claim that the Russians hacked the American election to benefit Trump is completely bogus. Consider the following.

            (1) The hacks of the DNC were started prior to Trump being nominated. If the Russians were paying attention to the American liberal media, they would have been aware that Trump had "no chance" of winning the nomination.

            (2) A key claim was that the RNC was also hacked but the information not released. The RNC has consistently denied they were successfully hacked and the FBI agrees. So that key claim is bogus.

            (3) The DNC would never let the FBI look at their servers. The claims of Russian hacking came only from a DNC contractor. Given what we already know about the DNC, why would anyone believe them or their contractors.

            (4) Wikileaks was the exclusive conduit for release of the DNC and Hillary campaign materials. Assange has repeatedly stated that neither the Russian government nor any state actors were the source of these materials. Yet Obama's intelligence apparatus never questioned Assange. Who is more credible, Jullian Assange whose reputation is all important to him or Obama's political appointees to the Intelligence agencies who will all thankfully be out of a job in two weeks. Obama DNI James Clapper is known to have lied before Congress with impunity so why would he ever be believed?

            The DNC leaks proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Democratic nomination had been rigged for Hillary and many members of the liberal media knew that. So, why didn't any of these "reporters" reveal what they knew all along.

            The Clinton campaign leaks showed extensive collusions and coordination among the Clinton campaign and liberal media outlets. Again, why didn't any "reporters" reveal any of this.

            I don't think anyone could conclusively prove that the Russians didn't hack Hillary campaign and DNC emails. Just like Hillary's illegal email server, the DNC and Hillary campaign materials were so poorly secured that they could have been hacked by any number of groups.
             
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            Good to know you are more in the know than the US intelligence community...........Oh that's right they are just a pawn of the Democratic party............
            :drunk:
             
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            Good to know who you stand with and trust .............

            http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-clapper-idUSKBN14P0G5
             
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            So I'm reading the release, and repeatedly they go out of their way to make it sound as though what was done was to help Trump with some clever wordsmithing, when the reality is it would have helped anyone who was running against Clinton, as they repeatedly also acknowledge that taking down Clinton was the root motive.

            But the libs don't see any of that, only see that they don't want the truth of their precious leaders to be exposed.
             
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              It's hard to take this report seriously with the repeated use of the term "trolls" :headslap:
               
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                I can't find a single point you've listed that can be legitimately argued with.
                 
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                  Kerry: Obama Warned About Russia Before Election, But Didn’t Want to Be ‘Viewed as Interfering’
                  http://www.mediaite.com/tv/kerry-ob...n-but-didnt-want-to-be-viewed-as-interfering/

                  Secretary of State John Kerry commented on Russian hacking and addressed the issue when questioned about whether the Obama administration did enough to speak up about it before the election.

                  He said that President Obama did issue a warning, but he also had to be sensitive to “not being viewed as interfering on behalf of a candidate or against a candidate or in a way that promoted unrealistic assessments about what was happening.”

                  This is a horseschit reponse.

                  He also commented that the most important thing was that the American public was aware.
                  WTF
                  Obama never addressed the Russians for any of their transgressions. Why was he afraid of them?
                   
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                  I pointed out some very specific failings of Obama's politicized claims, For example, how can an agency come to a conclusion about who did hacking when they never even looked at the affected servers? And how can an agency come to a conclusion about someone's motivation without mind-reading capability.
                   
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                  • pilot-in-fla

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                    It's hilarious. Obama went all-in to support Hillary, making a fool of himself on numerous occasions. If he thought making a claim of Russian hacking would have helped her, he would have done it in a heart beat and ordered up all of his political appointees to support the claims. I'm sure the reason he didn't is that he didn't want to emphasize what the Hillary campaign and DNC were doing as revealed by the leaked documents.

                    John Kerry was another individual who was all-in for Hillary regardless of his responsibilities. He was specifically admonished by a Federal judge for failing to follow mandated procedures regarding the Federal records Hillary had kept on her illegal server and illegally destroyed.

                    Of course, had the Hillary campaign and DNC merely acted ethically, there would have been no story at all.
                     
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