Trump's withdrawal from Syria

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    Just curious, what could Obama have done to "keep" Syria, whatever that means, and as if we had it in the first place.
     
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      We should have never armed the fundamentalists to try and overthrow Assad in the first place. Uni-party BS.
       
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        I am applauding. I think there are others here that are applauding. I am sure there are others in positions of power who support this as well. It is not the first time the press is selective in their reporting.

        I think you need to increase your sphere of awareness.
         
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          Not drawing a red line that he had zero intentions of enforcing would have been a start...
           
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            This from the LIB.

            Where in the Constitution do we fight wars w/o Congress?

            It does not work. Veit Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan...

            And the Kurds want equipment and support not bodies.
             
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              It was a dumb statement for him to make, but it had nothing to do with Syria falling apart and ISIS taking over vast swaths of it.
               
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              I'm not talking about people who blindly support whatever he does. I don't have to be told they support it.
               
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                My recollection was that we did very little of that, and what we did was regarded as too little too late from that strategies advocates (generally neocons like Hillary, McCain,L Graham). I recall we tried to identify acceptable non radicalized Syrians to fight against Assad and i think we found less than 100.
                 
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                  Send Kerry and his wife to dinner in Damascus again
                   
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                    Syria was already falling apart before he uttered it and while the degree to which his stupidity affected the situation is unknown--it's equally foolish to sit here and pretend that Obama's dithering had nothing to do with the situation eventually getting out of hand and forcing us to react.
                     
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                    I am more isolationist than most, so it's not the withdrawing from Syria that I think is the concern.

                    In typical Trump fashion, it's how it was handled and communicated.

                    Case in point......

                     
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                      But what could he have done differently to change the outcome? His red line flip flop weakened him against Putin but that isn't the main reason Syria fell. Syria fell because multiple factions rebelled against Assad, including ISIS. When you say dithering that implies he should have been doing something. What would you have him do?
                       
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                      I think it is the actual policy decision that has upset these generals more than being butthurt because Trump is informing them of military strategy decisions via Twitter (which I agree is awful)
                       
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                        Again, people crack me up. Trump should have announced an arbitrary date in 2020 as the “pull out” date. It’s what real leaders do.
                         
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                          Should he at least announce to the military brass?
                           
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                          You know most of them were ISIS types basically or Al Qaeda types. The same crap where Egypt and Libya went to sh*t after we pushed that mess.
                           
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                            You forgot to mention that we shouldn't sent plane loads of cash to Iraq where it ended up in the hands of terrorist worldwide.....Does anyone else notice how quickly and easily we all but decimated ISIS once we stopped giving them money to try and kill us....:headslap:
                             
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                              From a humanitarian standpoint, I hate watching youtube videos of ISIS beheading hundreds if not thousands of people just trying to live their lives in peace, beheaded only because they don't share the same twisted views of Islam as ISIS. Like Detroit says, I support going in there hard and fast and wipe out a few thousand ISIS neanderthals with very few rules of engagement. Rinse wash and repeat as-needed.
                               
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                                No, it's what we fail to realize when we get involved in civil wars and internal issues.

                                Many times the vacuum is worse than the dictator.

                                I heard a discussion of what could have happened if Hitler was taken out earlier. If The Natzis had not gone for Russia, England and most of the Jewish population may have been TOTALLY eliminated. Who knows what a Healthy Natzi Ruller would have done?
                                 
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                                I don't have a big issue with that. It's a decision I'd leave largely to the military brass.

                                The question is are you better off leaving a small presence there that stamps out the sparks on the grounds of the forest, or exit, let the flames go up.and fight another forest fire. As long as we are there we can let Kurds do much of the dirty work. If we leave, neither Assad norTurkey likes the Kurds, and we risk losing about the only effective and politically palatable fighting force we have found in the region. Of course we could do like Iraq and parallel with Iranian backed militias.
                                 

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