Truth Takes: I Hate It For The Kids

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I have been bad about writing here or posting podcast episodes (my original plan was to record Sunday mornings, post here). There have been some ridiculous Sundays, but still no excuse.

I'm not going to address the A&M game except to apologize to the good people of GatorChatter for when a guy interrupted my joking coping mechanism to defend Billy in the 3rd quarter I did tell him to stop acting like Billy is Jesus and to get Billy's cock out of his mouth. That's not who I am, but when I'm trying to avoid my anger over seeing what the program has become, probably best you don't poke the bear and try and tell me there is no talent. There is talent, coaching has failed the players. And even if there isn't, whose fault is that?

Either way, this is a Sunday that I'm sure many are celebrating and I'm not sure I want to. I had skepticism about the hire. Hated the offense. Became a villain to some here for that reason. Was told on X how much I hated Billy whenever questioning that offense. But here we are and on this day I don't want to say it, like Alfred:



I know this will probably fall on deaf ears, but Billy is the kind of off the field guy you could hope for. I've mentioned before and will say again that my wife and I personally know a recruit, 4* Junior OT, who said that Billy was the nicest coach of all the programs he visited. That Billy believe in him as a whole person and not just as a football player. He grew up a FSU fan, was turned off by the way Miami acted after beating us (and is in the background of that video of Miami players telling fans to come to the U). His mom is a single mom and raves about Billy's attention to her son and receives texts from Billy as well as her son as part of recruiting. From what I've gathered, UF was the frontrunner. My younger cousin, who played football at Winter Park High School and had lots of friends throughout college football told me in 2022 that his friends that had played for Napier "swear by him" and would run through a brick wall for him.

I bring those up because I believe that and I believe we have players who do feel the same way. Maybe not all of them, sure, but I bet there are going to be many players hurting when the decision happens. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I am about our players before anything. If I believe a coaching decision is bad or we need to change coaches it is because the players are being let down. I don't believe talent is the reason we are blown out. I believe talent is being asked on offense to go into a tight formation and run into 8 men boxes and is asked to telegraph their plays such as 80% runs in pistol and 60-70% pass with the offset back. On defense, how the f*** do you have situations where TJ Searcy is in coverage against Miami's Restrepo? How many realize AA hasn't called plays this year? It wasn't my news to break, but since De la Torre came out with it yesterday, figured I'd throw that in. We went w/ the veteran that I hoped would Assist AA and instead replaced him. That replacement, probably bc he was a Louisiana guy, I think is why the D has looked even worse.

Anyways, back to the point. I can't celebrate today because I feel for the players. Those who may love him, those who maybe don't. Some, like Mertz who are now in the final year of eligibility and the coaching uncertainty is bound to hurt what stock they have (and I'm not here to start a debate over any one specific player, just listing one who has no more eligibility). Some still have a few years of eligibility, but if we go after a Lane Kiffin or top tier coach as many want, they may not have a coach until mid to late January with the new playoff format. Not to mention how that would impact recruiting classes. The new format puts these guys so far behind the 8 ball. There is a proposal to put a December transfer portal window ONLY and eliminate the Spring. That heavily impacts whether guys, like DJ Lagway might stay for the right coach if there isn't anything in place due to Playoff games. The uncertainty could hurt players staying or transferring out as they could transfer out and miss an opportunity or transfer and then the coaching carousal burns their new destination as dominoes fall.

I know players are getting paid and many are now mercenaries. But they are still kids with feelings and futures. Unless something unforeseen happens we have a senior class that will never have tasted a winning season at UF and I feel for them. We have true freshmen who bought into a future that is no longer there.

Maybe I'm just a sentimental guy who is trying to remember the kids that are effected when mommy and daddy split. I'd love to be excited, but this wasn't good for anyone. Some people saw the issues before others, but in the end all the hope and magical pixie dust doesn't help and it doesn't feel good to watch something you love going careening off of a cliff. However, I think there are messages that have finally been received, like requiring a wide open exciting offense rather than the power run first approach we've seen for over a decade. Hopefully it works out for the kids.

I thought about referencing the Civil War and Appomattox because the divide on Billy had become a Civil War in Gator Nation, including on this board with ugly insults thrown among Gators. I won't do all of what I thought about, but I'll mention it here. Some in just, some to show my mindset, some just because writing this is therapy. Example, Mike Peterson at the team meeting when Billy (and I hope he does ) addresses the release with the team. Billy, like Lee to Ely Parker, says to Mike P. "I'm glad there is at least one real Gator here" and Mike P. could reply "We Are All Gators". Or I feel I must follow Grant's example as he ordered his men to stop cheering as Lee left after the surrender as he did not find it right to exult over his countryman's downfall. I cannot exult over this downfall when I know that though it should bring a brighter future, its going to hurt a lot of kids and their families in ways that an aloof Mac or checked out Mullen did not.

Respond, tell me I'm crazy, looking at this wrong, whatever you want. I do believe a change is necessary and should happen. I also am aware that there is going to problems on the horizon we might not yet comprehend. Either way, I'm going to enjoy watching Return of the King Extended Edition at my local theater so there are 5 hours I can escape the chaos of Gator football for the chaos of Middle Earth. By the time I'm out, perhaps there will be news, maybe it does wait until Monday.

Before the season I told Billy Napier I'd be at all 12 games and he corrected me saying there would be more. Looks like 12 is the number and still I go to support our student-athletes because A day may come when the Gator Nation fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship (or GatorChatter does shut down), but it is not this day. Go Gators!
 

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It sucks this is where we are , but we are. I foresee mass portal exodus.
 

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You are not wrong for your feelings. But when it’s time, it’s time. We have been a very successful program that has floundered under the last four hires. Total rebuild is in order. To do it right will be massive and complicated, but it needs to get started asap.
 

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I appreciate and share your concern for the players. And from all that I've heard or read, Karl is a great human being. I'm not convinced that being a great human being and a great football coach are mutually exclusive.

You do have a good point about the timing, playoff schedule, etc. on the coaching search. Barring tapping Meyer to replace Karl, UF has a challenging coach search ahead.

But I for one, do feel good about this. I don't like how we got here, but this was absolutely necessary and if anything, it was late.

With this change we could still crash and burn. But without it, we would continue to see the implosion of the UF football program. Rough road ahead for our Gators but I'll choose optimism until I have reason not to. (Like if Stricklin is making the hire.)
 

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Almost as damaging as our hires, and probably partially responsible for them, is our horrible timing in firing. We either wait a season too long (like this year and the effect of the new playoff format on the calendar), to too late in a season when other teams fired first and shuffles already happening.
 

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I'm not going to address the A&M game except to apologize to the good people of GatorChatter for when a guy interrupted my joking coping mechanism to defend Billy in the 3rd quarter I did tell him to stop acting like Billy is Jesus and to get Billy's cock out of his mouth.
There were so many of these guys. One who we "know" and converse with Twix. It is quite an insult to the players. The truth is we still have top 15 roster by any measure.

My younger cousin, who played football at Winter Park High School and had lots of friends throughout college football told me in 2022 that his friends that had played for Napier "swear by him" and would run through a brick wall for him.
But they won't perform as a unit and run plays for him. Talk is cheap. Show me.

Before the season I told Billy Napier I'd be at all 12 games and he corrected me saying there would be more. Looks like 12 is the number and still I go to support our student-athletes because A day may come when the Gator Nation fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship (or GatorChatter does shut down), but it is not this day. Go Gators!
It just shows how out of touch he and his staff was. They just don't even understand what an SEC team looks like our how it should function on the field.
 

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Truth you seem like a good dude and I hear what you're saying. It does suck for the student athletes. However I don't feel sorry for Napier one bit, due to the fact that he will be getting paid millions. Even if Florida got out of paying his buyout, he received generational weather before the firing. I've had people make the comment that money shouldn't matter and Napier is still human. Well, in fantasy land that idea works but this is real life.

My father in law is a Georgia fan and he absolutely loved Richt. Same stuff was said about him that is said about Napier, off the field at least. But he mentioned a year or two ago that he is glad they sent Richt packing and they have never looked back.


If we do somehow avoid botching this next hire and land the next Spurrier or Meyer, Billy and this nightmare of a run we've been on will fade faster than you can blink.
 

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I appreciate and share your concern for the players. And from all that I've heard or read, Karl is a great human being. I'm not convinced that being a great human being and a great football coach are mutually exclusive.
Glad you are back, Rocket.
 

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Almost as damaging as our hires, and probably partially responsible for them, is our horrible timing in firing. We either wait a season too long (like this year and the effect of the new playoff format on the calendar), to too late in a season when other teams fired first and shuffles already happening.
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You are not wrong for your feelings. But when it’s time, it’s time. We have been a very successful program that has floundered under the last four hires. Total rebuild is in order. To do it right will be massive and complicated, but it needs to get started asap.
Before FSU fires norvell
 

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It sucks this is where we are , but we are. I foresee mass portal exodus.
While this is likely, go ahead and ask yourself if it actually matters? This team couldn’t compete with most high schools. It’s time to burn it down and build it back right
 

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You are not wrong for your feelings. But when it’s time, it’s time. We have been a very successful program that has floundered under the last four hires. Total rebuild is in order. To do it right will be massive and complicated, but it needs to get started asap.
I don't disagree. A move must be made. I was not the biggest fan of the hire. I just think there are issues that are new/or different from previous times and nervous on how some play out.
Truth you seem like a good dude and I hear what you're saying. It does suck for the student athletes. However I don't feel sorry for Napier one bit, due to the fact that he will be getting paid millions. Even if Florida got out of paying his buyout, he received generational weather before the firing. I've had people make the comment that money shouldn't matter and Napier is still human. Well, in fantasy land that idea works but this is real life.
There is a difference between wanting him to be fired and dancing on his grave for those who love him (and I'm talking players here) to see. I'm happy we are apparently making the switch. I'm unhappy with how ugly it's going to get towards him and others and I don't believe we've scratched the surface yet (could be wrong).

There were so many of these guys. One who we "know" and converse with Twix. It is quite an insult to the players. The truth is we still have top 15 roster by any measure.


But they won't perform as a unit and run plays for him. Talk is cheap. Show me.


It just shows how out of touch he and his staff was. They just don't even understand what an SEC team looks like our how it should function on the field.
You're not wrong. But I will say for line #2 when you run a tight formation and run into a 8 man box, IDGAF if you do perform as a unit and run plays, it isn't gonna work. I think there are many times offense and defense where we do what we are told and it's not trying to perform as a unit, it's just what the unit is told to do is stupid and hurts said unit.
 

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While this is likely, go ahead and ask yourself if it actually matters? This team couldn’t compete with most high schools. It’s time to burn it down and build it back right
I believe the team has the talent and coaching has failed them. I stand in the paint that a good, (not great or elite) coach wins at least 7 with this team. We have talent, just sh*tty coaching.
 

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I believe the team has the talent and coaching has failed them. I stand in the paint that a good, (not great or elite) coach wins at least 7 with this team. We have talent, just sh*tty coaching.
It is a 9-10 win roster with a 4 or less win coaching staff.
 

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They can't even dream about that buyout.

8 years and 84 mil. I haven't seen the buyout amount but it is usually like 85% these days.
Barely bought out Taggart for much less. And they are in the middle of, or just finished a stadium renovation project. Funds are...well...limited shall we say
 

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I have been bad about writing here or posting podcast episodes (my original plan was to record Sunday mornings, post here). There have been some ridiculous Sundays, but still no excuse.

I'm not going to address the A&M game except to apologize to the good people of GatorChatter for when a guy interrupted my joking coping mechanism to defend Billy in the 3rd quarter I did tell him to stop acting like Billy is Jesus and to get Billy's cock out of his mouth. That's not who I am, but when I'm trying to avoid my anger over seeing what the program has become, probably best you don't poke the bear and try and tell me there is no talent. There is talent, coaching has failed the players. And even if there isn't, whose fault is that?

Either way, this is a Sunday that I'm sure many are celebrating and I'm not sure I want to. I had skepticism about the hire. Hated the offense. Became a villain to some here for that reason. Was told on X how much I hated Billy whenever questioning that offense. But here we are and on this day I don't want to say it, like Alfred:



I know this will probably fall on deaf ears, but Billy is the kind of off the field guy you could hope for. I've mentioned before and will say again that my wife and I personally know a recruit, 4* Junior OT, who said that Billy was the nicest coach of all the programs he visited. That Billy believe in him as a whole person and not just as a football player. He grew up a FSU fan, was turned off by the way Miami acted after beating us (and is in the background of that video of Miami players telling fans to come to the U). His mom is a single mom and raves about Billy's attention to her son and receives texts from Billy as well as her son as part of recruiting. From what I've gathered, UF was the frontrunner. My younger cousin, who played football at Winter Park High School and had lots of friends throughout college football told me in 2022 that his friends that had played for Napier "swear by him" and would run through a brick wall for him.

I bring those up because I believe that and I believe we have players who do feel the same way. Maybe not all of them, sure, but I bet there are going to be many players hurting when the decision happens. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I am about our players before anything. If I believe a coaching decision is bad or we need to change coaches it is because the players are being let down. I don't believe talent is the reason we are blown out. I believe talent is being asked on offense to go into a tight formation and run into 8 men boxes and is asked to telegraph their plays such as 80% runs in pistol and 60-70% pass with the offset back. On defense, how the f*** do you have situations where TJ Searcy is in coverage against Miami's Restrepo? How many realize AA hasn't called plays this year? It wasn't my news to break, but since De la Torre came out with it yesterday, figured I'd throw that in. We went w/ the veteran that I hoped would Assist AA and instead replaced him. That replacement, probably bc he was a Louisiana guy, I think is why the D has looked even worse.

Anyways, back to the point. I can't celebrate today because I feel for the players. Those who may love him, those who maybe don't. Some, like Mertz who are now in the final year of eligibility and the coaching uncertainty is bound to hurt what stock they have (and I'm not here to start a debate over any one specific player, just listing one who has no more eligibility). Some still have a few years of eligibility, but if we go after a Lane Kiffin or top tier coach as many want, they may not have a coach until mid to late January with the new playoff format. Not to mention how that would impact recruiting classes. The new format puts these guys so far behind the 8 ball. There is a proposal to put a December transfer portal window ONLY and eliminate the Spring. That heavily impacts whether guys, like DJ Lagway might stay for the right coach if there isn't anything in place due to Playoff games. The uncertainty could hurt players staying or transferring out as they could transfer out and miss an opportunity or transfer and then the coaching carousal burns their new destination as dominoes fall.

I know players are getting paid and many are now mercenaries. But they are still kids with feelings and futures. Unless something unforeseen happens we have a senior class that will never have tasted a winning season at UF and I feel for them. We have true freshmen who bought into a future that is no longer there.

Maybe I'm just a sentimental guy who is trying to remember the kids that are effected when mommy and daddy split. I'd love to be excited, but this wasn't good for anyone. Some people saw the issues before others, but in the end all the hope and magical pixie dust doesn't help and it doesn't feel good to watch something you love going careening off of a cliff. However, I think there are messages that have finally been received, like requiring a wide open exciting offense rather than the power run first approach we've seen for over a decade. Hopefully it works out for the kids.

I thought about referencing the Civil War and Appomattox because the divide on Billy had become a Civil War in Gator Nation, including on this board with ugly insults thrown among Gators. I won't do all of what I thought about, but I'll mention it here. Some in just, some to show my mindset, some just because writing this is therapy. Example, Mike Peterson at the team meeting when Billy (and I hope he does ) addresses the release with the team. Billy, like Lee to Ely Parker, says to Mike P. "I'm glad there is at least one real Gator here" and Mike P. could reply "We Are All Gators". Or I feel I must follow Grant's example as he ordered his men to stop cheering as Lee left after the surrender as he did not find it right to exult over his countryman's downfall. I cannot exult over this downfall when I know that though it should bring a brighter future, its going to hurt a lot of kids and their families in ways that an aloof Mac or checked out Mullen did not.

Respond, tell me I'm crazy, looking at this wrong, whatever you want. I do believe a change is necessary and should happen. I also am aware that there is going to problems on the horizon we might not yet comprehend. Either way, I'm going to enjoy watching Return of the King Extended Edition at my local theater so there are 5 hours I can escape the chaos of Gator football for the chaos of Middle Earth. By the time I'm out, perhaps there will be news, maybe it does wait until Monday.

Before the season I told Billy Napier I'd be at all 12 games and he corrected me saying there would be more. Looks like 12 is the number and still I go to support our student-athletes because A day may come when the Gator Nation fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship (or GatorChatter does shut down), but it is not this day. Go Gators!

There is exaxctly zero on field evidence that players would thru any wall for Billy, much less a brick one.
 

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