Truth Takes: I Hate It For The Kids

[Carolina gator]

Before FSU fires norvell

His parting gift pay would be $65 mil if fired after this season so that's not happening.

 

[Mr2Bits]

His parting gift pay would be $65 mil if fired after this season so that's not happening.

There needs to be a collective for all teams to stop with this crap. Make these contracts incentive based and move on, these massive golden parachutes give these clowns zero incentive to perform or really give a ****

 

[Joegator96]

I attended one of BN's first appearances at the Lakeland Gator club and I loved what I heard. It was all about commitment, character, values and family. All together with a process to improve would lead good kids to become great men and victory to UF. It sounded great and after past thuggism's it worked for me. The highlight was the opening game and then...........

At this point UF needs to decide if they want to compete for championships or just focus on building quality young men. If it's the latter then we will never so much as sniff one of the coveted 12 positions in the playoff's. I don't think the administrators really want to get that deep in the new dirt to compete. If not then it's over and we are the Vanderbilt of Florida.

 

[RiverRat]

We basically are the new Vandy now, no where to go but up. A new day is coming and I ain’t getting any younger they need to get this one (new coach) right.

 

[Homer J]

I attended one of BN's first appearances at the Lakeland Gator club and I loved what I heard. It was all about commitment, character, values and family. All together with a process to improve would lead good kids to become great men and victory to UF. It sounded great and after past thuggism's it worked for me. The highlight was the opening game and then...........

At this point UF needs to decide if they want to compete for championships or just focus on building quality young men. If it's the latter then we will never so much as sniff one of the coveted 12 positions in the playoff's. I don't think the administrators really want to get that deep in the new dirt to compete. If not then it's over and we are the Vanderbilt of Florida.

Remove him but don’t fire him. Make him stay and work for the $26 million

 

[MJMGator]

Remove him but don’t fire him. Make him stay and work for the $26 million

Selling Cokes at the ballgames?

 

[revgator]

I attended one of BN's first appearances at the Lakeland Gator club and I loved what I heard. It was all about commitment, character, values and family. All together with a process to improve would lead good kids to become great men and victory to UF. It sounded great and after past thuggism's it worked for me. The highlight was the opening game and then...........

At this point UF needs to decide if they want to compete for championships or just focus on building quality young men. If it's the latter then we will never so much as sniff one of the coveted 12 positions in the playoff's. I don't think the administrators really want to get that deep in the new dirt to compete. If not then it's over and we are the Vanderbilt of Florida.

Taking what your saying, along with @GatorTruth133, Billy doesn't believe his own hot air. If you truly feel sorry for the kids because of all their missed opportunities and shame, you should not think Billy is a "great guy"

Great guys dont ruin opportunity for disadvantaged teenagers who only get into college because they can play a sport. Billy could have resigned at any time. No shame in that. Ben Sasses just did it. So either Billy really believed he had a championship caliber team this summer or was lying.

"Great guys" don't make you fire them over the course of weeks, they don't slink out of the job with millions of dollars. Billy can negotiate his buyout down.

I'm not really upset that anybody is mesmerized by Billy's elegant oration. I'm an actions guy so words don't sway me but I do envy those who have reached middle age and have never been lied to before.

 

[Homer J]

Selling Cokes at the ballgames?

We paid Chump to go away and he immediately started recruiting our recruits to Auburn. Let’s get Billy to be our recruiting coordinator, GM or some other job. We’re paying him $26 million, let’s get something out of this.

 

[t-gator]

You are not wrong for your feelings. But when it’s time, it’s time. We have been a very successful program that has floundered under the last four hires. Total rebuild is in order. To do it right will be massive and complicated, but it needs to get started asap.

I gotta disagree, to an extent. We don't need a rebuild. That implies tearing it down, again. We need to revamp or reload. Or build off of what we have. Obviously there's gonna be some turnover with the coaching change but one of the keys will be what the next guy will be able to keep in place.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

We paid Chump to go away and he immediately started recruiting our recruits to Auburn.

We could have pushed that as a breach of contract, but we failed.

 

[g8tr76]

We paid Chump to go away and he immediately started recruiting our recruits to Auburn. Let’s get Billy to be our recruiting coordinator, GM or some other job. We’re paying him $26 million, let’s get something out of this.

I was thinking about recruiting also, but if we fire CBN, it would be best to just cut ties altogether. After all, it's only money (and Joe says we can print more)! It will also be best to do it sooner rather than later; because early signing day is in the first week of December. We will need extra time to assure recruits we got the program and their best interest at heart. Anyway, we will need to let and encourage the current staff try to salvage the season. Who knows we might find a star!

Barring finding that star, we have to have a top tier, winning Coach in mind. But, IMHO, there is a major catch to contracting with a new hire: "he better want to be a Gator". Otherwise, we already have mediocrity!

 

[cover2]

I gotta disagree, to an extent. We don't need a rebuild. That implies tearing it down, again. We need to revamp or reload. Or build off of what we have. Obviously there's gonna be some turnover with the coaching change but one of the keys will be what the next guy will be able to keep in place.

I wasn’t real clear, but the total rebuild I’m referring to is not facilities, etc. but rather the PEOPLE in charge of finding, hiring, and supporting the next coach and staff and providing a much higher level of oversight than has obviously been in place for some time now. This should begin with the AD and support staff and include the President/ Interim and proceed from there in my opinion.

 

[Spurdog98]

Anyone that seriously believes that BN should be anywhere near this program needs an ex-lax suppository and a fooking CT scan of their brain. If he is really such a nice guy then PE coach and MS football is right up his alley. Sure as hell no where near Florida football. I was in West Palm early Aug and bought like 350.00 in Florida gear, now I am to embarrassed to wear it due to this clown.

 

[GatorTruth133]

I'm not really upset that anybody is mesmerized by Billy's elegant oration. I'm an actions guy so words don't sway me but I do envy those who have reached middle age and have never been lied to before.

I'm not mesmerized by oration. I'm acknowledging actions. Again, people acting like I've said he shouldn't be fired have ignored my warnings and red flags since November 2021.

However, a guy willing to talk a high school sophomore with a single mom through an issue where his whole coaching staff is fired in the middle of the spring is not an awful human being. A guy who has his players doing an average of 1 8 hour community service day a month, providing hundreds, if not thousands of hours of community service for the needy along with he and his family participating as well is action, not oration. A guy who took the time to know a ton about a HS freshman beyond their first name before they ever spoke is not a bad, terrible, no good, evil person, and its not oration, its action.

Is that different than field performance? Hell yes. Did I doubt that he'd be good this year? Yes. Did I believe Billy believed he had a better team this year (just like last year no matter what anyone tries to say that he sounded differently than "They don't know what I know yet")? Yes, I think he believed it. If he is doing what he generally thinks what he is doing is best (it isn't), does being incorrect make him a bad guy? No. If he was intentionally sabotaging things, I'd agree. I'll put his blinders to his failures, like many people in all walks of life do, or intelligence as some have proposed, or whatever, before assuming malice unless someone shows evidence of such.

Was I not as harsh on the podcast going into the year and tried to be more positive? Guilty. But is it because I've never been lied to? No.

The fact many people can't seem to separate a person's coaching ability with whether they're a good person shouldn't shock me, but somehow does.

 

[Cozumel Gator]

We paid Chump to go away and he immediately started recruiting our recruits to Auburn. Let’s get Billy to be our recruiting coordinator, GM or some other job. We’re paying him $26 million, let’s get something out of this.

Has this ever been done before at ANY school?

 

[revgator]

I'm not mesmerized by oration. I'm acknowledging actions. Again, people acting like I've said he shouldn't be fired have ignored my warnings and red flags since November 2021.

However, a guy willing to talk a high school sophomore with a single mom through an issue where his whole coaching staff is fired in the middle of the spring is not an awful human being. A guy who has his players doing an average of 1 8 hour community service day a month, providing hundreds, if not thousands of hours of community service for the needy along with he and his family participating as well is action, not oration. A guy who took the time to know a ton about a HS freshman beyond their first name before they ever spoke is not a bad, terrible, no good, evil person, and its not oration, its action.

Is that different than field performance? Hell yes. Did I doubt that he'd be good this year? Yes. Did I believe Billy believed he had a better team this year (just like last year no matter what anyone tries to say that he sounded differently than "They don't know what I know yet")? Yes, I think he believed it. If he is doing what he generally thinks what he is doing is best (it isn't), does being incorrect make him a bad guy? No. If he was intentionally sabotaging things, I'd agree. I'll put his blinders to his failures, like many people in all walks of life do, or intelligence as some have proposed, or whatever, before assuming malice unless someone shows evidence of such.

Was I not as harsh on the podcast going into the year and tried to be more positive? Guilty. But is it because I've never been lied to? No.

The fact many people can't seem to separate a person's coaching ability with whether they're a good person shouldn't shock me, but somehow does.

I hear you loud and clear and it wasn't a shot at anyone in particular. I just have 26 million reasons why I think Billy is not a great guy

 

[Joegator96]

I hear you loud and clear and it wasn't a shot at anyone in particular. I just have 26 million reasons why I think Billy is not a great guy

That blame lies squarely on the shoulders of our doofus AD.

 

[Carolina gator]

Remove him but don’t fire him. Make him stay and work for the $26 million

If Billy had the world's worst employment lawyer he'd still have a clause that prohibits diminishment of duty as triggering the golden chute. No one including Billy and his advisors would sign a contract forcing you to be a janitor to get the $$$

 

[Ironhead]

I'm not mesmerized by oration. I'm acknowledging actions. Again, people acting like I've said he shouldn't be fired have ignored my warnings and red flags since November 2021.

However, a guy willing to talk a high school sophomore with a single mom through an issue where his whole coaching staff is fired in the middle of the spring is not an awful human being. A guy who has his players doing an average of 1 8 hour community service day a month, providing hundreds, if not thousands of hours of community service for the needy along with he and his family participating as well is action, not oration. A guy who took the time to know a ton about a HS freshman beyond their first name before they ever spoke is not a bad, terrible, no good, evil person, and its not oration, its action.

Is that different than field performance? Hell yes. Did I doubt that he'd be good this year? Yes. Did I believe Billy believed he had a better team this year (just like last year no matter what anyone tries to say that he sounded differently than "They don't know what I know yet")? Yes, I think he believed it. If he is doing what he generally thinks what he is doing is best (it isn't), does being incorrect make him a bad guy? No. If he was intentionally sabotaging things, I'd agree. I'll put his blinders to his failures, like many people in all walks of life do, or intelligence as some have proposed, or whatever, before assuming malice unless someone shows evidence of such.

Was I not as harsh on the podcast going into the year and tried to be more positive? Guilty. But is it because I've never been lied to? No.

The fact many people can't seem to separate a person's coaching ability with whether they're a good person shouldn't shock me, but somehow does.

I don't want to take this to the political side but, I'm sick and tired of all this "Community Service " BS!
I've always tried to help people as much as possible, always been the guy that contributes to "United Way" and volunteers for toy drives at Christmas etc.
Problem is, Now, this stuff is no longer "volunteer" it's EXPECTED.
I really couldn't give a rats azz how many "Community Service" hours our team is giving. Maybe less "Community Service" and more WEIGHT ROOM???

Not only the people that have given and volunteered in the past , so that now it's an obligation.
Not just that, but now, the people who receive these gifts of time and talent are no longer appreciative or trying to get out of the sad state of affairs they're in now.
***Political opinion coming******
These same people take my volunteer hours, they take my cash contributions, they take my United way dollars and give to groups that are supporting illegals coming across the border, abortion clinics, gender affirmation and surgeries for minors. They vote for Democrats.
No sir, I'm done being a patsy.

United Way can kiss my rosy red azz.
Red Cross, Catholic Charities, can EABOD.

I will decide on a personal basis who and what organizations I give to and, My employer can stick their "Required Community Service hours" up their azz too.

Off the soap box..............

 

[G8trwood]

Great read Truth.