Tucker Nails It

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    Women have outnumbered men at American universities for quite some time. You want to see a person who has a hard time finding a mate? Try being an educated, successful black woman.
     
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      Are you calling me a leftie?
       
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      Hefty Lefty at that :lol:
       
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      no, that would be cooter :grin:
       
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      Maybe that's why there is such a push for black female/white male relationships on tv these days. Commercials, TV shows, Movies, it's pretty predictable
       
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        Anyone notice that on The Walking Dead, there are ONLY mixed race or gay couples?
         
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          They take their cue from all other advertising on tv
           
        • Politigator

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          I'm not sure what to think of that. In some ways he actually nails it, and in ways that don't fit typical partisan stereotypes, which is refreshing. In others he makes passing comments that I feel are utterly ridiculous and hypocritical. In some ways he is on point, and others it is a seemingly pointless and incoherent rant that often lacks a clear overriding theme.

          I'll have to watch it again. I honestly don't know what to think. But I'll give him points on presenting a fresh perspective that doesnt fit into any particular box. That in itself is uncommon these days.
           
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          I'd decided to give this forum a brief break, but given Cats has posted one of the most thought provoking posts in a while, I'm going to respond. I can guess how it will go, but I do have a Quixotic streak in me.

          Romney NYT editorial rant - i found that i generally agreed with much of what Romney said, and the fact that instead of focusing on its merits, which Tucker briefly admits but immediately brushes it off, Tucker decides to tear it apart.

          Syria - Tucker's one minute assessment of the situation was ridiculously simplistic and self serving. We now have the benefit of participating in interventionist excursions, and then deciding to abandon them, and the results are predictable. Afghanstan>>freedom fighters>>leave>>Al queda>>9-11. Iraq invasion>>overturn existing power structure>> leave>>ISIS. Libya>>boot Qaddafi>>leave>>terrorist wasteland.

          It is hard to decipher what the optimal play is here, once you choose to immerse yourself in it. The optimal play may have been never to get into it in the first place (like China seems to) but we are long past that.

          To say Romney wants to stay in Syria just because the elites just want to stay in the middle east is just a ridiculous simplification. We expended blood and resources knocking back ISIS, with the help of people like the Kurds. For the most part, what we have been doing is working. Now to completely abandon that, leave a void, and leave the Kurds at the mercy of Assad and Turkey at least provokes some additional conversation, doesn't it? But Tucker just decides to characterize it as the selfish dancing of global elitists.

          As to corporate tax cuts, private equity, etc, I pretty much agree with him 100%. While I think there was some merit in some degree of corporate tax cuts, in terms of parity with other countries, what we ended up doing has caused corporate tax receipts to be cut in half. And for what? To increase what were already historically record rates of earnings? And in terms of calling the PE model for what it is, I agree, although I'm not exactly what one should do about that. As to his criticism of lower tax rates on capital vs earnings, I agree with that....to a degree. But this is what I hear from the likes of Warren Buffet and most many liberals. It is interesting to hear it from Tucker. Also, I will say taxes on capital and taxes on income aren't the same things, and there is some merit to non punitive tax rates on capital, although we probably have taken it too far.

          As to world leaders refusing to address what benefits their citizens, and the resulting populist revolt, I get that, but don't at the same time. Usually, such discontent leads to either populist policies which turn inward, and compartmentalize us into little inefficient georgraphic bits, or to socialist policies which involve governments trying to equalize the world's inequities. Both usually result in disaster. So while Tucker recognizes the trend, what exactly does he think should be happening? What is he calling for?

          Forget Trump. What happens after? Totally agree that is the bigger question. We are so wound up in discussing trump, for and against, we really aren't looking past 2020 and 2024.

          The endless pursuit of GDP is a fool's errand. We should be pursuing "happiness". Wow. I kind of agree, but that is the rhetoric of Scandinavian nations, which tend to measure higher levels of happiness (however that is defined) brought about by redistributionist policies. Whenever this topic is brought up it is usually laughed off here as socialistic mumbo jumbo. But here is Tucker saying it. Wow. Just wow.

          Our leaders are mercenaries and don't care about us. Well, probably true. But that isn't on them. it is on us. It is who we elect. now so more than ever, they do and say what their constituents want them to, primarily because the transparency of a 24 hour cable news and internet media structure. In the past, they engaged in superficial jousting, mostly put aside ideological differences on the big issues, and collectively did what they thought was right for the nation. Then went back to superficial jousting. Now as soon as a politician veers off ideological course, their elective base gets immediate feedback and pitches a fit (Trump reversing on stop gap measure to fund government instead of getting his wall funding). We get what we want. What we have is entirely our doing. I find blaming our "leaders" for being unable to reconcile our childish and ideological bipolar whims tiresome.

          The economics and families rant was quite interesting. He lends credence to the traditional conservative view that inner cities were a result of liberal redistributionist parties, which may be partially true, but ignores a long history of various segregationist policies that existed for many decades prior to that. But I do find the comparison of inner cities and rural america quite fascinating and even somewhat insightful. (and I would think quite disconcerting to some of the more "alt right" Trump supporters)

          Male wage declines in rural America - obviously a fact, but the disappearance of manufacturing is greatly exaggerated. Manufacturing has decreased as a percent of the economy, but it has nonetheless consistently grown. Jobs however have dropped, primarily due to automation, which Tucker doesn't even mention. What would Tucker do about automation of manufacturing jobs?

          The decline in men's wages, resulting in an emasculating of men as women become more powerful and affluent....he says it is proven fact and social science. Maybe it is. I'd be interested to hear an alternative view from social scientists on these "facts". But what is he proposing? He comes out and says we need policies to increase the wages of MEN. Exactly how are we supposed to do that? He really wants our government to start enacting legislation that favors and discriminates towards....men. FFS.

          He is probably right that economic power of females leads to less reliance on men and the traditional nuclear family. Does that mean he advocates a social model where women are inferior to men, and are economically dependent on them? They are forced to stay married, in spite of abuse, physical or mental, because that is what is best for society (or at least 48% of society)? One could argue that white males definitely benefited from the slavery model of the south. Does that make it right? I really am not sure where Tucker is going here. He seems to be implying some things he isn't willing to come out and directly say.

          As to Cheryl Sandberg, I don't know her, but the characterization of her as a corporate demon is ridiculously simplistic. many found much value in her book. And I think it is worth noting she lost her husband unexpectedly in 2015. Maybe that is here nor there in an age where decorum is a dirty word.

          "Not all commerce is good". Payday loans are immoral. Holy ****ing **** did a Fox News commentator just say that? I couldn't agree more. I wonder how he feels about thousands of coal workers dying prematurely and the coal industry polluting the planet, vs saving a few thousand coal jobs?

          The anti marijuana screed. Really?? Where did this come from? Does he give any evidence that what we are experiencing now is worse than what we had before, where we were throwing thousands of people in jail for drug crimes and perpetuating drug wars in central and south american countries? He seems to acknowledge that marijuana may be better than alcohol, but says "that's not the point". Logically, I assume he thinks alcohol should be illegal too? And he chose to ignore the opiod crisis, which is far more problematic, and brought about by a combination of corporate greed and a failed war on drugs. Does pot even rate a mention in this discussion? This seems like an argument geared towards an 80 year old Fox news consumer who has never seen pot and gets his information from "Reefer Madness".

          "Fairness". Another wow. Tucker has gone full out liberal, but kudos to him for not trying to stick in the proverbial partisan/ideological box. I'll agree with this, to a degree. If people think the game is rigged, and things aren't fair, it ultimately doesn't bode well for our future. But fairness is so subjective. He points to the tax code. Ok fine. he is concerned about a successful business owner paying 40% vs Mitt Romney who paid approximately 15% on capital gains (Tucker's assertion that middle class wage earners pay 40% is just flat out factually wrong). OK, I get that. But what about all the people who come from nothing, live in ****ty homes, come from a single parent, etc. How about we give them a "boost" or "lift" via some sort of progressive policy? God no! That is socialism!! Pick yourself up by your bootstraps! You made bad choices!

          "Future leaders will have to be Republicans" - ???? WTF is that? What he is describing above does not resemble any Republicans today - and not too many democrats either. But what he is espousing has as many historically democratic ideals as Republicans. He spends a significant amount of time on a mostly non ideological and non partisan rant, with varying levels of coherence, and then concludes that the only path forward is through one of the two existing parties, which currently hold values vastly different than what he is articulated? Are we supposed to take him seriously?

          "Socialism is about what we are going to get, and very soon...". I totally agree. And I don't like it either. It is one of the reasons I would have preferred a more moderate path forward, vs the one we are taking, which will probably end up in an economic backlash that most of us here won't like.

          The economy needs to "protect normal people" and families. WTF does that mean? Exactly how are we supposed to do that? And who is exactly "normal"?

          Cats, what surprises me is you have often exhibited libertarian leanings. Tucker is outright hostile to libertarianism. He seems to want our "leaders" to enact policies that will make things "fair", and protect normal people and families. That sounds quite liberal to me, and I'm not sure I like the sound of it.
           
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            I had to in order to enhance my point...
             
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            I thought all zombies were gay :dunno:
             
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              Haven't read all of that, but I knew in advance that if he gave it a second go he could find things to complain about. What stands out to me is that such a politically savy poster could miss the main point. He is still fighting the old GOP and totally missing the last two years. He doesn't get that many of the principles we are fighting for were once liberal principles back before his party went sicko.
               
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                I have a very close friend that claims they were promoting the white gals and black men in the media. But I always take a double take when I see an old country boy with a black lady. I know there is hope for the future of humanity...........
                 
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                  Richard Pryor said this in the 70s in a standup. "Anyone see the movie Logans Run? Its about the future. AInt no nggers in it. I dont think white folks are planning on us to be there?" He was a genius in regards to human failures..........
                   
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                  Yes and setting his head on fire :rotfl:
                   
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                    I did notice that. I watched it a few weeks back and there are very very few people of color in that movie.

                    It was pretty bad too.
                     

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