Unreliable Nature Of Solar And Wind Makes Electricity More Expensive

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    Over 7 years, 29 states assigned to this renewable source program people have paid $125.2 billion more for electricity than if they'd stayed with the standard way of producing that same electricity.

    Every solar activist treats the required ancillary equipment as if it never breaks down = storage batteries, series gates, charge controllers, DC/AC converter, etc. None talk about what you pay for the square footage to house this power-plant?
     
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    • ChiefGator

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      There was a proposal to connect most of Europe to one large grid so that they could share and adjust renewable generation. It might work but the network costs would be very large, so of course it costs more. Now if you were starting from scratch that would be very different.
       
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      It makes sense that introducing energy sources that have varying levels of availability causes some inefficiency which will add cost. But the cost of solar and wind generated power is falling rather dramatically and in time will offset that added inefficiency.

      They talk about states occasionally having too much and having to pay for somebody to take it...but if that is true then somebody else is benefiting from it.

      These are technologies that have advanced a lot, and will continue to advance. The fact that some have now politicized certain technologies as "liberal" and oppose their further development is baffling.
       
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        What state has too much?

        Who is opposing their development? No one I know. Well, except people directly employed by one industry or the other perhaps.

        I'm absolutely opposed to tax payer money creating these projects or mandates that force us to consume them at often ridiculous rates.

        When it's ecomonically feasible and technologically possible, I'd love to have nothing but some solar panels or whatever running my house.
         
        #6 Swamp Donkey, Jun 15, 2019 at 1:26 AM
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          I agree with aspects especially the politicalizing but to lay solely at conservatives is disingenuous.
           
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          All the great threads start with captivating attention-getters like this.
           
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            The technology in and of itself, isn't what is politicized, but you knew that.
             
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              Well, it's just counterproductive to cast shade on solar technology.
               
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                Who is "casing shade" on any generation method. Solar is very useful in its proper role.
                 
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                  If we want to federalize energy production: look to the stars.

                  No, seriously: solar panels in space capture anywhere from 35-55% more power than panels are capable here on earth. It's more efficient and cost-effective. The Chinese are already looking at ideas to do this on the moon or via a space station. Costs would come down after the initial outlay.

                  NASA is already a federal program and you better believe private industry would contribute to costs if there's an economic payoff to it. Given that much of the federal dollars for renewable projects end up disappearing into the black hole of state budgets, I don't see how shifting that funding to NASA would be inefficient.
                   
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                    In what science do you base this?
                    Efficiency approaches a limit asymptotically. Simple physics limits what can even be hoped for. Solar/wind is a pie in the sky dream to solve real world problems. There are some places it makes sense but those are few and far between. Anybody that believes it’s a long term solution now or ever will be disappointed. In the end we have the solution to all our problems and it is nuclear. When/if we ever exhaust Dino-fuel we will switch to nuclear because even 100 years from now solar/wind will be little more viable than it is today.
                    Not surprising that liberals who believe in money trees, unicorns and worship “Mother Earth” would buy in to the perpetual motion machine promise of solar/wind.
                     
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                      It takes huge tracts of land, dedicated to nothing but solar panels, to create sufficient levels of stored energy to make any significant impact on current consumption rates.

                      IMO, current solar technologies reasonably support only private use.
                       
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                      Your information is outdated.



                      Levelized Cost of Energy and Levelized Cost of Storage 2018


                      As to nuclear I have no issue with it, other than the up front cost is astronomical.
                       
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                      Enough with you DG emulating "but you knew that". Come up your own original snarky passive aggressive quips.

                      The thread is about solar/wind.
                       
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                        It was a statement of fact, nothing else.
                        In the meantime, get off your high horse, you look like a fool.

                        I know what the thread is about. My point still stands
                         
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                        And how do you transmit the power from space to the gird? Whatever you might propose would be quite inefficient or very dangerous.

                        A better option is run of the river generation that you hear almost nothing about. Why? Because is it not sexy or in with those with a large say in politics.
                         
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                          Disposal storage and shut down costs.
                           
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                            You're asking the wrong person, Chief; not sure the finer details of it. Read an article in the NR earlier this week about China's lunar mining ambitions; and they're also planning on building a space station to look into solar power:

                            China: Moon Mining only Beginning of Ambitious Space Plans | National Review

                            I mean--we already spend money on NASA anyway; and I don't know about you, but the benefits to science and society are far greater than to just hand states billions of dollars in federal cash that always seems to disappear into the black hole of state budgets.

                            Never in the history of truth-telling have truer words been spoken. Wish I could give this more than one like--because it's spot-on.

                            Yes...run of the river generation would *absolutely* be scalable, renewable, and safe. There's plenty of other tidal power projects that are capable of producing cheap electricity; they never seem to get mentioned.
                             

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