US Pulls out of Northern Syria

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  1. AugustaGator

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    I was expecting a robust discussion and multiple conspiracy theories on this one.

    Personally, I think Turkey will get a black eye. How, not sure.
     
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    On the surface of it, I don't have much problem with it since ISIS is defeated and there's no appetite for a larger invasion of Syria to dislodge Assad...so no point in staying for the sake of staying.

    Digging deeper, there's multiple problems I have with this.

    1) if the Kurds get massacred and we do nothing about it, it's a huge black eye for Trump and America at large. They stepped up when no one else would and kicked the azz of ISIS when we were reluctant to get involved and send in major forces to the area. We owe it to them to make sure they don't get slaughtered...and if that's what Turkey ends up doing here, I'll have major problems with it.

    2) Trump is seemingly ordering this out of the blue. The Pentagon wasn't given a head's up and neither was Congress. You don't make major policy decisions like this on a whim and without notifying people. He's already being criticized by Republicans and Fox News (along with other media) for both the decision and its hastiness.

    Trump can't afford to be making rash and whimsical decisions at a time when he needs every ally he can get with the Democrats circling around his Administration like sharks.
     
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      #fvkk Turkey
       
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        Fvuk that entire region. Outside of oil and poppy, it's useless.
         
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          good start...........I hear we are killing civilians left and right in crapganhistan..............lets get out of there , too. It's time to arm the ones we trust (are there actually ANY over there) and let God sort it out...........
           
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            Worth this try. Making Turkey stand down by force of US President Trump's word warning, no US soldiers in sacrifice. See, Trump is so dynamic and forceful that enemies fear his "line in the sand" as something dangerous to cross.??
             
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            I'm hoping this (the ordering out of the blue) is a ruse.

            I thought Trump has said we would be pulling out soon several months ago?
             
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              He did... now he’s just doing what he said he’d do... again. I’m sure Mattis is on the list of those upset, because he was upset when Trump announced it... several months ago. ;)
               
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                You shouldnt listen to lying ass democrats.

                Technically Taliban and Al Queda and their allied ARE civilians, I guess, but they deserve every 500 pounder we can deliver.
                 
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                  and then some.....
                   
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                  OP forgot to mention what Trump said today after announcing...….
                  "Try anything(Turkey) and I'll squash you like a grape"...
                   
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                  He also said that... several months ago.
                   
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                  I've learned to stop asking coach what the fck he is talking about anymore.
                  I've come to realize that he doesn't even know :dunno:
                   
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                    He did...but promptly backtracked when he had no support on the Hill and in the Pentagon for the move after Mattis resigned.

                    It should bear mentioning that all he has right now is a promise from Erdogan that Turkey won't destroy the Kurds. IF that stays true, then we can laud this a bit more...but as of right now, I'm not exactly at ease about it.

                    And you should still cue Congress/the Pentagon on stuff like this, either way.
                     
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                    He did... when he ran for President, then again six months ago. How stupid are they?
                     
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                    So he is the sane one and congress and the Pentagon are stupid? I want your opinion. Are we fckkning over the Kurds? Honestly, cause I don't know. His promise to leave the Middle East was about the sanest thing he promised to me. But are we leaving the Kurds out to dry (die) and does this enable ISIS to retool and regain strength. YOU are my go to foreign military policy guy.
                     
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                      I’d use the word delayed vs backtrack. I saw no change from his stance. I’d be interested if he changed the strategy.

                      Trump is no politician in the DC stance. I see a person that tries to do what he says and comes back to course after rabbit trails.
                       
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                      we needed to do this and we need to leave Afghanistan - there is zero value in being in either location- makes me laugh to see those who are suddenly against our leaving Syria- if Turkey is attacked our Nato treaty requires us to defend Turkey
                       
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                      Turkey is no ally.
                       

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