US Women’s soccer team sues US soccer federation for equal treatment/pay...

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  1. Gator Fever

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    U.S. women’s soccer team members sue U.S. Soccer for gender discrimination

    NEW YORK — Members of the top-ranked US women’s national soccer team on Friday — about three months before the upcoming World Cup — filed a federal class-action lawsuit against the US Soccer Federation citing gender discrimination, according to court documents.

    The suit states that the women filed on behalf of themselves and all other similarly situated current and former women’s national team players “who the USSF has subjected to its continuing policies and practices of gender discrimination.”

    The suit alleges that the federation discriminates by paying the women less than members of the men’s national team “for substantially equal work and by denying them at least equal playing, training, and travel conditions; equal promotion of their games; equal support and development for their games; and other terms and conditions of employment equal to the MNT.”....

    “Despite the fact that these female and male players are called upon to perform the same job responsibilities on their teams and participate in international competitions for their single common employer, the USSF, the female players have been consistently paid less money than their male counterparts,” the lawsuit states. “This is true even though their performance has been superior to that of the male players — with the female players, in contrast to male players, becoming world champions.”

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    :lol: They are probably mad they didn't play during that time some years back the media forced women's soccer on everyone 24/7 in the news cycle which resulted in some of them getting some nice advertising deals for a sport no one cares about.

    There is literally no one at their qualifying/pre-Cup games if there isn't a male soccer event the same day.

    We know the men's soccer team isn't bringing in much money here either but that sport is very popular on the international stage and at least draws some fans in the US unlike the women's team.

    They seem to be essentially arguing that the US needs to treat all players the same as long as its the same sport.
     
    • gatorev12

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      Let's just call this for what it is: athletes b*tching for more money. Nothing more, nothing less. Trying to pressure USSF into giving them more money right before the World Cup--maximizing their leverage prior to the tournament.

      I'm a huge soccer fan and used to watch the women's teams in the late 90s and early 2000s...but can not STAND this current iteration and have not watched, supported, or cared about the women's team in several years since they started this whole "gender discrimination" BS.

      Some context: FIFA controls the advertising rights for international tournaments and the prize money distribution that goes towards national teams for making the World Cup, advancing, winning, etc. Winning the 2018 World Cup netted France $38M (because the total pot was some $440M). The 2015 Women's World Cup team made $2M...because the market demand simply isn't there. Less people at the games, fewer tv networks bidding for distribution rights, fewer advertisers, etc. That's just the market reality.

      Also the market reality: the women's team *already* tried this line of argument and negotiated higher pay in 2017. Male players get paid by appearances for the team (caps) since the bulk of their earnings come from their club teams; the women get paid a base salary AND get paid for each appearance thereafter. That's the reason why the per game appearance is lower than what the men get paid--and additionally, the women get paid health insurance, the men don't.

      Would love our national federation to tell the women to pound sand. And while I would never root against my country--let's just say I was happy at the last Olympics when this spoiled bunch of whiners was eliminated.
       
      • diehardg8r

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        I can appreciate their hardwork and dedication but the market decides what the value is of any particular item or thing. Womens soccer in the U.S has a VERY low market value and that's just the way it is. Now if they go thongs and pasties.....................the skies the limit!

        It has to be something that is entertaining.....all BS aside. Womens combat sport draws more fans and makes more money. It's brutal but it's what people want to see. Womens college SB, fast, exciting and people come to see it at that level. I don't know if they make any money professionally or not but it is what it is. I guess they want the courts to decided that either taxpayers or men's sport should pony up and compensate them for what they aren't capable of generating themselves. They should be careful what they ask the courts to decide for them.
         
      • Slug

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        You want to make big bucks? Put out a product that attracts big bucks. NO one really cares about women's soccer. In the same way no one really cares about the WNBA. It's boring.
         
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          I was shocked to learn the WNBA still exists.

           
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            Shyt drives me crazy... like women's tennis demanding, and getting, equal prize money at the 4 grand slam events for "equal work".... except in tennis, women only play 3 vs. 5 set matches, but yeah, "equal work." I won't even get into which side of the "equal work" equation brings in their "fair share" of the revenue.
             
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            3 pt line is closer and I believe the ball is smaller. But hey, they are equal.

            If this is us trolling for Trauma..it ain't working.
             
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              I could have sworn a few years ago the women's team chose health car over higher pay. The men turned down healthcare for more money. Now they are complaining again. Did I not hear that correctly?
               
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                Robert Downey, Jr. makes more per movie than Meryl Streep. Hell, so does Chris Pratt. She’s a better actor than Pratt.

                Why is she making less?

                Because they sell more tickets than her.


                Alex.
                 
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                  Equal work would entail bringing an equal number of paying customers. Furthermore, since women soccer players are far inferior to men soccer players by what standard is this "equal" work?
                   
                • itsgr82bag8r

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                  Quite an incorrect assumption doc. The women have been consistently turning out a far superior product than the men.


                  Plus boobs.
                   
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                    They have won more. Put the men on at the same time as the woman, men will get higher ratings.
                     
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                    The women have more titles, sure, but that's not to say they have a superior product. The market determines that...and both the domestic and international markets show that there's far more demand for the men's competition than there is the women's.

                    That's why the men draw more fans to their games and why international men's tournaments dwarf the women's in terms of attendance and TV audiences. Also why the men's team has more revenue doled out by FIFA (who determines how much each federation gets for winning games at said tournaments).
                     
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                      Which constitutes a superior product is subjective. An objective measure is which provides the most revenue from merchandise, ticket sales, and TV. If the women really do provide more revenue the powers that be are indeed underpaying the women and/or overpaying the men.

                      This is America. Boobs are free.
                       
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                        To your point, there is a muddy picture at best....

                        US women’s soccer team shows excellent timing on this play - The Boston Globe
                         
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                        Do I think that FIFA has oftentimes acted completely disinterested in supporting the women's game? Absolutely.

                        Do I think our own federation has taken the women's team for granted and, at times, treated them poorly? Yes.

                        But do I support their efforts for "equal pay?" Absolutely not.

                        The US women's team is the best-paid women's team on earth. They negotiated for--and received--a new contract in 2017...and now they're b*tching again. Screw 'em. They receive a base salary (that the men don't get) and they receive health insurance (that the men don't get). In law, we call that "consideration."

                        It isn't just a marketing issue: it's a market demand issue. And presently, there is precious little market demand for women's sports. The WNBA was marketed like crazy and millions of advertising dollars were spent trying to drum up national support...it failed. They had to refocus on targeted advertising in their local markets to avoid losing even more money. The uncontested reality is that NO women's professional league is profitable. Blame whatever you want for that: accuse society of being misogynist; blame bias and stereotypes; blame white men; blame straight men...the reality is spoken for by market demand. USSF made up their own gender-specific annual tournament (the "SheBelieves Cup") to try and drum up more international competition in the women's game...attendance last month averaged 12K a game. The Gold Cup is this summer for the men (held every 2 years)--and the last one averaged 33K per game. Don't even bother looking up the numbers for World Cup games: it's not even close.

                        I don't expect the Boston Globe to acknowledge any of the above, however. Facts are less important than the narrative.
                         
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                          I hate soccer.
                           
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                                Now, Carly Lloyd (one of the star players on the team) is demanding that the women should be paid more than the men since they win more.

                                Dominating women's soccer (where only a handful of teams are even competitive) is vastly different from the men's game--where dozens of countries are good. The cognitive dissonance is simply incredible.
                                 

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