What is immoral about a wall?

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  1. Tay Bang

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    You really are going to have to bring more to the table than bull$hit blue pill talking points. There is no down side to border security. Trump was elected to build the wall. It’s time to move.
     
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      And Trump was rebuked 2 months ago to the tune of a 9M vote popular vote loss.

      Border spending is fine. A wall is dumb.
       
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        Even where it’s needed?
         
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          The blue team’s talking points would change dramatically if immigrants voted majority Republican.
           
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            Nancy's wall and front gate at her Napa estate is lovely
             
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            It can have its uses in spots. Trying to cover the whole border is silly, though.
             
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            But you said wall was dumb? And you acknowledged Trump came up short on your expectations. So why not think in places?
             
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            Yeah gotta leave some spots open so the cockroaches can get in and lay eggs
             
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            To recap: you've dropped the contention that illegal immigration from Canada is a thing; have acknowledged that the study you provided is inherently flawed since it's *only* measuring Mexican immigrants and not the millions of other immigrants from Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador; but conclude with immigration isn't the "crisis" it was 15-20 years ago.

            Which, in reality, you're wrong yet again. As another poster observed: instead of working aged males coming over (who tend to find employment), now it's whole families with young impoverished children coming over--who require the state to step in and provide education and welfare to help raise them. The reason they're coming over is entirely due to loopholes in our immigration laws which Democrats have shown zero desire to address or fix. So don't ***** when a wall is offered as a solution since it greatly deters the incentive and ability for young children to make the dangerous journey.
             
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              Democrats plus the Chamber of Commerce happy to pull in cheap labor.
               
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                If only immigrants would vote Republican. The border would be on absolute lockdown. North/South Korea style. Clinton’s biggest accomplishment.
                 
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                  Oh boy. Who let in the low information Google Goof?
                   
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                      Obviously you mean the kind that ignore our laws.

                      Agreed, only a fool or someone who encourages lawlessness would like that kind.
                       
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                        Can you please describe how to build a wall around an overstayed visa?

                        Besides, I hear that Canadian socialized healthcare is so much more awesome than ours why would someone try to cross that border to come to such a bad place? :grin:
                         
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                          So you don’t consider roughly 30,000 people trying to enter illegally each month a “crisis”? Uh, ok. :facepalm:
                           
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                            You might want to double check the stats of those high-profile caravans recently........

                            Let’s just say it wasn’t mostly women & children. Not by a looooooong shot.
                             
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                              You might want to double check the stats of those high-profile caravans recently........

                              Let’s just say it wasn’t mostly women & children. Not by a looooooong shot.
                               
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                                Before it used to be primarily young men. Now, women and children are a higher percentage. Not that they are the majority.
                                 
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                                  But it does substantially alter the social cost curve to illegal immigration. When it's working-aged makes who come here to fill unskilled labor needs: there's clear economic benefits to society. But adding women and children to the mix tends to negatively affect the cost curve since the family unit needs immediate social support. A working aged male sending remittances back home can support his family given the strength of the dollar vis a vis Central American currencies; they cannot support them when they live here in the US on a $25k salary and have 2-3+ other mouths to feed.
                                   

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