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  1. alcoholica

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    People really get sidetracked on the issue. Mainly because the liberals don't want closed borders, because they're told they don't want it. The political side is really two pronged: 1) the left lost the blue collar voters so they don't care about protecting them and need to manufacture more votes 2) they would see a barrier as a win for Trump and they don't want that.

    The truth of the matter is that border security is just like your house. Ask any police officer how to protect your home and they all say the same thing. Criminals are lazy, so make it harder to break into than your neighbors: lock your doors, add exterior lighting, cut your shrubs, etc. The metaphor here is to make it harder than it's worth to try to break in. Comprehensive border security is more than just a wall. It's layers upon layers of motivating people to not try. This includes making clear laws defining citizenship that prevents citizenship by simply being born here.

    Back to the house metaphor. When people break into a house, they typically don't break in thru a wall. They go thru a door or window. Which is why alarm companies put senors on doors and windows and why people who are serious about security are buying hurricane glass, more secured doors, and harder to breech locks. It's layered even on a residential level. Security camera systems are becoming much more prevalent.

    A barrier is necessary to funnel the activity to other points, like the ports of entry, where there can be a more efficient use of our resources.

    Now if you want to have an actual discussion on the merits of border security, that would be a longer post. So just watch what your Dems have said in the past about it before you post.
     
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      There’s no down side to great border security, including barriers.
       
      • Ancient Reptile

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        Meaning where there is a wall or other obstacle we can confiscate the contraband and where there isn't one, we can't. There really isn't hope for you guys.
         
        • g8r.tom

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          Wrong. WE tried this before and failed, in 86 or so. We need to secure the border. That is a win for all citizens.
           
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            I bet you thought The Shumer-Pelosi show after the speech was a winner as well huh? It's just too easy to pull up old clips of Dems saying the Wall was good, votes for much more money than Trump is asking for, show pics of the walls around their homes, and show them saying there is a crisis at the border, all before Trump was Prez of course, for them to look anything but foolish here. AOC said that the illegals trying to break into the country are more American than the legal Americans who want them to apply for migration instead of breaking in. That's the new Dem party and no way anyone outside their base will follow idiotic logic like that. Trump is well on his way to re-election here and can thank the new Dem house for helping him get there with this buffoonery that only pleases their unthinking base.
             
            • Tay Bang

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              Trump is speaking in simple generalities, which works when running for office. The “Wall” covers all border security options.
               
              • CapitalGator02

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                Point to one post where I said I'm against a wall. There are much more effective ways to secure our border than building a wall across the entire Southern US, but no one wants to have that discussion because Trump is attempting to swing his d!ck and follow through on his primary campaign promise while the two demwits are "governing" purely off emotion to oppose Trump. The government is shutdown and both parties are stalemated strictly for selfish reasons.
                 
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                  So now a wall is okay? Sort of?
                   
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                    Great. El Paso shares its border with one of the most violent cities on the planet so it was stupid for them not to have a wall in the first place. There is no doubt that a wall/barrier in certain locations along the border makes perfect sense, but a 21 foot high wall along the middle of nowhere Texas border surrounded by desert and mountains without a major city within 100 miles makes zero sense. No contraband or humans will ever make that crossing as there are numerous natural barriers. In fact, building Trump's wall along certain parts of the border will be nearly impossible because of terrain and lack of infrastructure to actually get equipment to these locations.
                     
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                    • Tay Bang

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                      Reducing contraband flow is just the icing on the cake. An extra. Bonus points.
                       
                      • no1g8r

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                        When the time comes that the Commie-socialists get their way, and becomes such an oppressive regime that they are unbearable, it may make it harder for us good guys to sneak out. ;)
                         
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                          No, it means that even with walls, barriers, border patrol agents, dogs, x-ray systems and other technologies, that an incredible amount of contraband still enters this country on a daily basis. Building a wall along the entire southern border will again make no difference at reducing the amount of contraband that enters this country.

                          Drugs are typically discovered at ports of entry for two reasons; 1) They are at population centers which means dealers are close to the demand, easy money. 2) Population centers are near highway systems so it's easier to transport contraband throughout the country.
                           
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                          • CapitalGator02

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                            You directly illustrate the issue that is plaguing our country; take people's word without any knowledge of the subject or doing your own due diligence;

                            On the border, Trump turns political in making case for his wall

                            Trump demands border wall in Texas visit, but spotlights contraband seized at ports of entry | Politics | Dallas News

                            Again, a wall or barrier will have little to no affect at stemming the flow of contraband into this country.
                             
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                              Why are you opposed to it?
                               
                              • CapitalGator02

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                                What about it? The irony of this photo is that the majority of this contraband was confiscated at ports of entry or through tunnel systems that bypass current walls or barriers. A border wall won't do a damn thing to stem the flow of drugs, weapons or cash from entering and leaving the US.
                                 
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                                • Tay Bang

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                                  I'm all for the closure. And I haven't watched Faux News in at least a decade.
                                   
                                  • NOLAGATOR

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                                    I contend that if it goes on for very long the Congress will take it on the chin.

                                    With Pelosi given everything she wanted and still saying, "NO" Voters will start turning on the DEMS.
                                     

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