Will Winston finish at FSU or be kicked out?
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http://espn.go.com/college-football...ome-florida-state-seminoles-qb-jameis-Winston
Dumbo says the suspension "hit home"
I'm glad he said this, its going to make him look even more stupid when Rapies messes up again
Dumbo says the suspension "hit home"
I'm glad he said this, its going to make him look even more stupid when Rapies messes up again
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Jimbo did not all of a sudden become a genius coach. Look at the record during the waiting period and you will see that he made no difference whatsoever. He becomes head coach and what happens? Academic standards for football players does not exist...if you can play and write your name, we'll take you (Barron hated this). The staff allocated to the academics of football players tripled (go to class, take notes, write papers, etc.). They win...and the money starts rolling in. Mission accomplished.
Then, they lose the most credible school president anyone can remember them having. He bolstered the teaching staff, increased salaries, recruited students, and started them on the path to being a respected academic institution. But when football sucked, booster money for athletics went down. He got pinched by athletics...and left.
Along with all that came a tolerance for behavior and other standards that would negatively impact athletic revenue. Bad publicity could not be tolerated. The "students" hated this, because they were the obvious victims of this new attitude. Kids still come, but fewer elite students are enrolling. The elite teachers and professors have taken off for greener academic pastures because the school cannot no longer afford to spend money on academics. Time to pay the piper...
If the Title IX investigation is properly conducted, FSU will receive some form of a death penalty. The skeletons in the closet are numerous and there will be a snowball effect once the victims start coming forward. It could be very ugly, with repercussions throughout the university community.
Football is a big deal. But when you see what happens when you sell out your school for success on the football field, I hope that you will never want the University of Florida to lose its dignity in this manner. Get a new coach, keep recruiting "good" kids, and lets do it the right way. Go Gators!
Then, they lose the most credible school president anyone can remember them having. He bolstered the teaching staff, increased salaries, recruited students, and started them on the path to being a respected academic institution. But when football sucked, booster money for athletics went down. He got pinched by athletics...and left.
Along with all that came a tolerance for behavior and other standards that would negatively impact athletic revenue. Bad publicity could not be tolerated. The "students" hated this, because they were the obvious victims of this new attitude. Kids still come, but fewer elite students are enrolling. The elite teachers and professors have taken off for greener academic pastures because the school cannot no longer afford to spend money on academics. Time to pay the piper...
If the Title IX investigation is properly conducted, FSU will receive some form of a death penalty. The skeletons in the closet are numerous and there will be a snowball effect once the victims start coming forward. It could be very ugly, with repercussions throughout the university community.
Football is a big deal. But when you see what happens when you sell out your school for success on the football field, I hope that you will never want the University of Florida to lose its dignity in this manner. Get a new coach, keep recruiting "good" kids, and lets do it the right way. Go Gators!
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1) FSU had no dignity to lose.
2) There will be no death penalty, there will be no nothing.
3) Winston stays, under lock down he becomes poster child feel good story of the NC game.
2) There will be no death penalty, there will be no nothing.
3) Winston stays, under lock down he becomes poster child feel good story of the NC game.
- Jun 19, 2014
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I want you guys to understand what's going on here. There are two different investigations.
The first is an internal FSU investigation regarding the rape. Title IX requires schools to promptly and thoroughly investigate such claims and resolve them in about 60 days. The burden is "preponderance of the evidence" which means more likely than not.
The second is a DOJ investigation of FSU to see if FSU did in fact comply with Title IX.
The internal investigation has a low burden of proof but it had equally low punishment powers. Chris Casher (who admitted to videotaping the incident) was put on probation for a year. Basically nuthin. The other "witness" got off scot free. So what might happen to Winston as a result? If they decide it is more likely that he didn't rape her, nothing. If they decide it is more likely that he did rape her, the most they can do is expel him (in which case he sues them and probably gets an injunction allowing him to remain enrolled until the case is resolved). I don't know what FSU is going to do here, but the pressure is going to be on them to rule in Winston's favor.
The DOJ investigation is likely to determine that FSU failed to act in accordance with Title IX requirements. You have the decidedly unthorough investigation, a meeting with Winston without the victim being able to rebut, the long delay, etc. In its defense, FSU claims the victim decided not to cooperate with the internal investigation, hence the delay. On the other hand, this lack of cooperation is likely due to FSU clearly trying to sweep this under the rug. I think FSU loses here but what does that mean? The absolute worst the government can do is cut off funding. No death penalty. It can't take away wins or bowl games or scholarships, can't put a team on probation or suspend any coaches or players. Title IX is all about federal funding. Schools receiving federal funding have to yada yada yada. Cutting such funding has never happened in the past, despite some egregious cases (remember the Colorado case?). The typical punishments are like coming up with a new protocol for dealing with accusations, hiring some staff, reporting requirements, etc.
If I had to guess (and these are wild guesses, not educated guesses)--
If it looks like FSU might play for a NC and the ruling comes out before that, Winston will likely be exonerated. This is the most likely scenario. If it looks like FSU is out of the NC hunt, or if the ruling comes out after the NC game, then Winston will be expelled and will declare for the draft.
The DOJ investigation will find that FSU failed to comply with the Title IX requirements but the punishment will be minor.
The victim will sue FSU and will walk away with $1M give or take $250K.
Alex.
The first is an internal FSU investigation regarding the rape. Title IX requires schools to promptly and thoroughly investigate such claims and resolve them in about 60 days. The burden is "preponderance of the evidence" which means more likely than not.
The second is a DOJ investigation of FSU to see if FSU did in fact comply with Title IX.
The internal investigation has a low burden of proof but it had equally low punishment powers. Chris Casher (who admitted to videotaping the incident) was put on probation for a year. Basically nuthin. The other "witness" got off scot free. So what might happen to Winston as a result? If they decide it is more likely that he didn't rape her, nothing. If they decide it is more likely that he did rape her, the most they can do is expel him (in which case he sues them and probably gets an injunction allowing him to remain enrolled until the case is resolved). I don't know what FSU is going to do here, but the pressure is going to be on them to rule in Winston's favor.
The DOJ investigation is likely to determine that FSU failed to act in accordance with Title IX requirements. You have the decidedly unthorough investigation, a meeting with Winston without the victim being able to rebut, the long delay, etc. In its defense, FSU claims the victim decided not to cooperate with the internal investigation, hence the delay. On the other hand, this lack of cooperation is likely due to FSU clearly trying to sweep this under the rug. I think FSU loses here but what does that mean? The absolute worst the government can do is cut off funding. No death penalty. It can't take away wins or bowl games or scholarships, can't put a team on probation or suspend any coaches or players. Title IX is all about federal funding. Schools receiving federal funding have to yada yada yada. Cutting such funding has never happened in the past, despite some egregious cases (remember the Colorado case?). The typical punishments are like coming up with a new protocol for dealing with accusations, hiring some staff, reporting requirements, etc.
If I had to guess (and these are wild guesses, not educated guesses)--
If it looks like FSU might play for a NC and the ruling comes out before that, Winston will likely be exonerated. This is the most likely scenario. If it looks like FSU is out of the NC hunt, or if the ruling comes out after the NC game, then Winston will be expelled and will declare for the draft.
The DOJ investigation will find that FSU failed to comply with the Title IX requirements but the punishment will be minor.
The victim will sue FSU and will walk away with $1M give or take $250K.
Alex.
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My bad. I just made my response before I read any of the posts.-THE DUDE- said:
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The only mystery is whether or not the Heisman voters will give him another Heismen
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FSU will settle to avoid more bad publicity. They want very badly for this to go away and to avoid having their dirty laundry aired in a court of law (court proceedings are a public record and university employees covering up a rape for a football player is compelling).AlexDaGator said:
TPD doesn't have as much to lose due to bad publicity. Claims against TPD are capped at $200,000 unless the legislature approves more. I think she has a strong claim against TPD but getting big money out of them won't be easy.
In order to recover anything from Winston, she has to win a civil suit (or at least have a strong enough case to merit a settlement). It will be hard for her to prove her case because the police investigation was a sham. If she times it right with the NFL draft, she can get something out of him but not nearly enough for what happened.
Alex.
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Why not? Did they not know he was a rapist last year?Captain Sasquatch said:
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If Rapey gets kicked out of halFaSsU is eligible to play someplace else?
He will play the rest of the year, enter the draft go number one overall, then after a night of celebrating and forcing him self on yet another innocent girl he'll get him self thrown in jail before ever taking a snap in the NFL. He will then be throwing TD's to Hernandez for 8-12 years!
