Yet another school shooting

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  1. GatorAlways

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/us/school-shooting-santa-fe-texas.html

    Let me make sure I know how this works, because we all know the statements are going to come from politicians who will then conveniently forget this ever happened and move on to spending more of our money:

    "Thoughts and prayers with those affected by this tragedy"

    Did I get that right?
     
    • AlexDaGator

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      What's your solution?

      Be honest. Give me your full and complete solution. I understand your position is that "thoughts and prayers" aren't enough. Pretty common sentiment from the left nowadays. Well, what is enough? C'mon. Share with the group.



      Alex.
       
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        I'm going to make a bold prediction here. Let's see if I'm right. If this was not an act of foreign terrorism at least two of these will apply to the shooter, quite probably all of them:

        1. Somewhere on the autism spectrum.
        2. Suffered from depression and was being treated with an antidepressant, despite the warnings from the companies themselves that side effects in young people include suicidal and homicidal thoughts
        3. Was bullied at school and experienced frustration with the opposite sex
        3. Had been handled in the school using the "positive behavior system" or one of its analogues
        4. Experienced significant father absence.

        And though all of these will be reported - AGAIN; we will not talk about them - AGAIN; because politicians know it is easier to talk about guns - AGAIN then it is to admit we have a good profile of who is carrying out these attacks. It would also mean admitting that if we take away guns from them they will use trucks like the guy in Toronto did, or bombs like the guy in Texas did.

        We could start addressing the problem - but that would mean honest conversations that would really offend people rather than striping everyone of their rights and handing over more control to a government who won't even talk about the real problem because they may offend people.
         
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          Of course this will get blamed on guns. The real question though is why are people doing this? Certainly they aren't doing this sort of thing because of guns. Seems like nobody wants to actually answer that question. They are afraid, and in their minds if there were no guns this wouldn't happen, therefor no more thought required.

          Edit: Pretty much was he said ^^^^^
           
          • Slug

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            Ummmm, close the loophole and common sense gun laws. BOOM! No more shootings.
             
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            Did you read my post about school shootings?
             
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            autism would be a first.............those kids live in a different world from the get go.
            Texas will be interesting to see how it reacts. So far what we are doing since this has become a "thing" has not stopped it. When you have one or two counselors in a school of 1500 or 2000 and you give them all kinds of blsht testing and paperwork to occupy their time and when states underfund mental health and juvenile justice and just keep blding prisons it is no surprise. Throw in the asinine standards and high stakes testing for young kids and you have S T R E S S ...........add easy access to guns to the equation and the fun begins,...............
             
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              I will have time later thanks
               
              • g8tr72

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                Lawmakers need to redirect funding toward mental health including analyzing the side effects of some common medications, and abandon alot of these ridiculously useless programs and services.
                 
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                  The autism thing just sends people through the roof. If you ever try Googling it you're going to have the lobby using the media to scream "don't blame it on autism." There are significant links. People don't understand Venn diagrams. Not all or even most people on the spectrum are going to be mass killers, but almost every mass killer or attempted mass killer is on the spectrum.
                   
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                  Please continue....as the father of a child who was diagnosed as being on the spectrum I'll make sure and keep an eye out for when he falls off the Honor Roll or starts harming any of our pets......C'mon man....and I thought you were smart or something :facepalm:
                   
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                  I think what you'll find is that the people who would typically carry out these attacks don't really need a flash point and would be violent no matter what environment they were in. Simply put, normal people don't respond to the stimuli discussed above with violence. It is a tough pill to swallow for egalitarians out there, but there are some people you can't fix - you just have to manage. Thankfully they are a tiny fraction of population. I'm talking specifically here about the mass killing.

                  As far as the majority of violence carried out with knives, firearms and fists - the lion's share of it is in clusters of generational low IQ populations compounded by generational father absence. But that's a whole other thread.
                   
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                  WTF are you talking about?
                   
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                    The fact that someone believes school shootings are carried out by persons on the spectrum....
                     
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                    Some reports saying two shooters, both in custody.

                     
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                    Columbinesque.

                     
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                    Perhaps they are. Do you have any evidence to present or just your feelings about your child?
                     
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                    Alex - do YOU think that "thoughts and prayers" are enough? At least EIGHT families will never see their child alive again.

                    It's pretty clear that there isn't one. We can't talk about anything before both sides retreat into their corners and put up a wall. Meanwhile, students that go to school to learn are dying at the hands of classmates.

                    Short of turning our schools into courthouses and airports (and the costs and loss of freedoms that come with those decisions), there will always be ample opportunity to create terror. My wife's school just had their front office become a bank vault - you can't interact with the personnel at the front desk except behind plate glass. You have to be buzzed in. Meanwhile, there are gaps in the fence and poor school maintentance due to budget cuts.

                    Even Detroit's friend's solution of going back to one-room schoolhouses is not feasible - we don't have the willpower to incur the costs to make this happen, and there's no guarantee that it will work anyways.

                    "If you see something, say something" doesn't work. Whistleblowers are called "snitches" and vilified by their classmates as being "tattletales". We want strong, independent children, so what's what we're getting. Children that down't come to rely on their friends for help with they are depressed, or have issues. Boys are told to "suck it up", "be a man". Disgusting.

                    So, we get to live with our children dying in the hallways and classroom because the adults in the room can't have a sensible conversation.
                     

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