Your turn San Diego - black man shot by cops

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  1. Zambo

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    Sure, but that doesn't stop what has already been brought up in this thread which is suicide by cop. I guarantee you sir, that if you confront a cop and he tells you to put your hands where he can see them and your refuse to comply that he is going to draw down on you. And I can further guarantee you that if you rapidly bring your hands up as if you have a gun and are pointing it at him, he is going to shoot you. This will never change.
     
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      How many times do I have to say it? There are good shoots and bad shoots. Cops get convicted of bad shoots all the time. If you are looking for a blanket answer to the "problem" then keep looking. If you want to discuss a particular shoot and why it was good or bad then have at it.
       
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      Agreed - my question is more a question about training and less about this specific instance. Thanks for the discussion.
       
    • Detroitgator

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      You make it sound like that's who the LEO was even aiming at.

      Two things are becoming pretty clear in America, black men interacting with LEOs and any Muslim doing anything bad have mental issues. Am I getting that right?
       
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        The standard for a cop to shoot a mentally challenged etc. person is the same as everyone else as far as I know if they are seeing the same level of threat. If they are facing the same threat they can shoot to stop I would think just like with anyone else. I don't see how you can change that if the cop has good reason to believe his life is in imminent danger. Cops do have to Baker Act a lot of mental cases and I guess they get some training on that.

        There are some pretty bad cases imo where some overreacting cops shot and killed mental cases just for getting rocks thrown at them from a distance and things like that.
         
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        Here's the thing. Had ANY of these innocent unarmed AAs simply complied with the officers, NONE of them would have been shot to death. That's a fact.
         
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          True. Why is this lesson not learned yet? It's almost as if some want to be martyred.
           
          • GatorAlways

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            When did I bring in race to this discussion? I'm talking about training for situations surrounding mental health.

            I absolutely agree that they should have complied if they are capable.
             
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            My apologies - that was not my intention. It was to bring up a situation where mental health and a LEO-involved shooting took place.
             
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              And if they don't comply, benefit of the doubt goes to whom given that NO ONE can determine "capability"
               
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              Zambo destroyed this thread and it wasn't even close.
              Excellent work monkey :monkey:
               
              • itsgr82bag8r

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                Well then you'd think people with IQ's larger than their shoe size wouldn't do stupid shat to provoke an LEO into thinking you're a threat. RIGHT?
                 
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                Here's the core "essence" of the issue. LEO's have the right to go home after every shift. If you don't want to get shot, don't provoke them.

                Simple.
                 
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                  People that jump to what ifs about the suspect being armed I hope never carry a CCW. Could you imagine if citizens just started shooting anyone that scared them?

                  In Florida, you can only use lethal force if there is an imminent threat of death, great bodily harm or to prevent a forcible felony. Nothing about having hands in pockets or someone *might* be armed.
                   
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                  I cannot believe how illogical people can be.

                  Here's an idea.

                  Anyone vilifying the actions of the officers in these type of situations should sign up to be a part of the police force as a EXPUNT partner (EXPendable UNarmed Technician.) This person will require no weapons or tactical training. Their SOLE purpose is to evaluate the risk in any situation.

                  Every patrol unit will be issued an EXPUNT partner and whenever any of these situations arise, the armed LEO stays in the vehicle while the EXPUNT gets to acquire the facts on the situation and evaluate the subject of the call.

                  If the EXPUNT determines the subject to be a legitimate threat, the armed LEO can be deployed.

                  That will reduce the number of unjustified shootings by armed LEOs.

                  Now any of you want to sign up?
                   
                  #55 g8tr72, Sep 28, 2016
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                  In addition to mental health, throw in drug use as a cause of erratic behavior and refusal to comply. It's a tough scene for both officer and non-compliant. Each case presents a unique combination of variables usually identified after the fact.
                   
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                    I think we have every right to question a cops actions and their training, but it needs to be based upon facts and not emotion.

                    From my perspective, we have people taking one set of facts, blacks get hassled more than whites and have projected it to cops killing blacks more.

                    Also, going ape **** over an instance of injustice is just stupid. It will always occur. What is the saying? **** Happens.

                    With this said, Cops do not get a carte blanche just because they were afraid. You can have rational and irrational fear. I believe this is what is being discussed.
                     
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                    In 2016, 42 people have been shot and killed by police that were considered "unarmed", as in, didn't have a weapon. Those are all races. To break it down further, 19 whites, 15 blacks, 5 hispanics, and 3 of unknown race/origin. Last I checked, there were around 323 Million people in the United States, give or take. That means, a person of any race basically has a 1 in 10,000,000 chance of being killed by the police while unarmed.

                    You're more likely to get killed by bee stings (58 unarmed people killed by bees), lightning strikes (35 unarmed people killed by lightning), or a dog (28 unarmed people killed by dogs).

                    Unfortunately, "Unarmed Black man Killed by Bee Stings", isn't quite as catchy of a headline as "Hilter-esque Police Gun Down Unarmed Innocent Nobel Prize Nominated Black Father of 5 On His Way Home From Baptism"

                    Maybe we should provide the public with more education as to how not to get struck by lightning.
                     
                    • itsgr82bag8r

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                      This x infinity. The BS narrative about blacks being unfairly targeted is out of control. When placed in truthful context, the stats simply don't support the claim.
                       

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