Lack of Talent?

soflagator

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I actually think it’s something he can grow into over an offseason. A year more mature and a year deeper in the play book and a years more worth of mechanics work, will all improve him as a player. 20% better? 40% better? That may be the difference between being ok or a legit threat next year. Till then just enjoy the ride and the up and down growing pains

I’d love to see it. I’m not hopeful, but he’s a decent kid and it would be a great story. My only concern is wasting too much time trying to make something work and then getting a year or less of a better player once we concede.
 

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I blame Billy over AR. If you can’t run an efficient offense with AR, your offense sucks

I’m not really even defending BN here, but based on what data? HS? No. Last year, minus the conditions I spoke of above? No.

You could make a valid argument that we’re 5-3 right now with average QB play that didn’t nearly single-handedly lose the UK game.

Just listen to Henden Hooker in his on field interview after tonight’s win. That’s a QB and leader. Not talking about being “Superman” after a 2-1 start and without throwing a TD pass on the year.
 
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The problem with AR is that he only plays well when he’s completely loose. His first drives of game me are typically fine. He performs well against completely overmatched opponents. Had no trouble filling in and situational moments as a back up. And seems to find his stride whenever the game is out of reach. It’s all the in between that he simply cannot handle. Good kid who I like as a person, and if he comes back next year I’ll cheer for him. But that’s not a QB, and certainly not in this league.

AR just isn't aggressive enough when it come to taking off and running for the sure first down. Got it in his head he's gonna be a pocket passer. He's came out more aggressive in 2nd half (when, like you said, game out of reach and pressure was off) and looked better. The Utah AR had me really excited, but something broke in him in the UK game, and he hasn't been the same. He's mentally weak for the position, but I fear now Napier is mentally weak to be an elite coach in the SEC. He should've benched AR by now, if not just for a few series to see if someone could do better. AR is around 50% as a passer on the season, and he has about as many TD's as Int's. He's missed probably 25 completions if not more for throwing too damn high. We need someone that can complete passes to open receivers, and AR hasn't proven he can. Since AR doesn't seem to want to us his scrambling strength, I'd like to see someone else get a turn. Doubt Billy boy will do that though.
 

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I’m not really even defending BN here, but based on what data? HS? No. Last year, minus the conditions I spoke of above? No.

You could make a valid argument that we’re 5-3 right now with average QB play that didn’t nearly single-handedly lose the UK game.

Based on his skill set. I’d love to see him in an offense that can utilize his running ability properly and get him easy throws, not an offense with 5 plays, running play action on 3rd & 4th and long, motioning a WR across the formation every other play where the WR just stands by the sideline and spectates.

Stop overdoing play action (taking AR’s eyes off the field on obvious passing plays) and running 2-3 man routes with your high school motioning offense.

Add in the fact that his OC and QB coach is the HC who doesn’t have time to go over plays, talk through stuff with him on the sideline cuz he’s busy watching his defense get picked apart.
 

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Based on his skill set. I’d love to see him in an offense that can utilize his running ability properly and get him easy throws, not an offense with 5 plays, running play action on 3rd & 4th and long, motioning a WR across the formation every other play where the WR just stands by the sideline and spectates.

Stop overdoing play action (taking AR’s eyes off the field on obvious passing plays) and running 2-3 man routes with your high school motioning offense.

Add in the fact that his OC and QB coach is the HC who doesn’t have time to go over plays, talk through stuff with him on the sideline cuz he’s busy watching his defense get picked apart.

As I said, not really defending BN and his offense, but there’s zero data to support AR being great to this point. Could a better offense suit him, sure. But I also think a better QB would have us in a better situation than we’re in.
 

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As I said, not really defending BN and his offense, but there’s zero data to support AR being great to this point. Could a better offense suit him, sure. But I also think a better QB would have us in a better situation than we’re in.

I didn’t say anything about being great. I said if you can’t have an efficient offense with him than your offense stinks. The fact we can’t find a way to use AR’s legs is quite an indictment.

Heck, look at the QBs he’s brought/bringing in: Miller, Max Brown (low 3 star), and Stokes (borderline 3/4 star). I’d be shocked if a top QB wanted to play in this offense.
 

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All I know is no way UT couldn't have had superior talent than we had, but they got a superstar coach, and the results are phenomenal.
 

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I didn’t say anything about being great. I said if you can’t have an efficient offense with him than your offense stinks. The fact we can’t find a way to use AR’s legs is quite an indictment.

Heck, look at the QBs he’s brought/bringing in: Miller, Max Brown (low 3 star), and Stokes (borderline 3/4 star). I’d be shocked if a top QB wanted to play in this offense.

As I’ve said before, we have blurred the lines between true “dual threat QB” and “athlete who can kind of throw”. We were equally unsure a 2* QB like Trask could be a better play than our infinite upside “QB” Franks.

My point is we don’t need great with our running game. Don’t throw a pick-6 against Uk and we have three losses to teams with a combined record of (22-2).
 

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As I’ve said before, we have blurred the lines between true “dual threat QB” and “athlete who can kind of throw”. We were equally unsure a 2* QB like Trask could be a better play than our infinite upside “QB” Franks.

My point is we don’t need great with our running game. Don’t throw a pick-6 against Uk and we have three losses to teams with a combined record of (22-2).

Ok you win
 

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AR is an awful passer....but Jay26 wants us to game plan for it. :confused:

AR is not a QB and Napier should have bumped him down the depth chart several games ago.
Bring him in as a change of pace QB, like Tebow behind Leak, but AR is the biggest waste of raw talent in QB I have seen here, and it's because he's an awful passer and weak mentally.
 

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AR is an awful passer....but Jay26 wants us to game plan for it. :confused:

AR is not a QB and Napier should have bumped him down the depth chart several games ago.
Bring him in as a change of pace QB, like Tebow behind Leak, but AR is the biggest waste of raw talent in QB I have seen here, and it's because he's an awful passer and weak mentally.
I hate bashing the kid, but you’re right. We should have pulled him weeks ago. If he was making lots of plays with his legs then I can see leaving him in, but he’s not and that makes him a liability because he’s a below average passing QB.
 

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That says a lot but it doesn't say it all. Nobody I know of gets less out of more than Kirby Smart. I'd hate to see us string together a bunch of top 5 classes and find ourselves at least temporarily stuck at the alter.

It's not just about talent. You need also to be able to plan, scheme and adjust, get the most out of your people. You need to be able to coach.
 

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That says a lot but it doesn't say it all. Nobody I know of gets less out of more than Kirby Smart. I'd hate to see us string together a bunch of top 5 classes and find ourselves at least temporarily stuck at the alter.

It's not just about talent. You need also to be able to plan, scheme and adjust, get the most out of your people. You need to be able to coach.
I would love it if they string together top 5 classes.

Even if they can't coach

At least it will be set up for the next guy.

I want to beleive (wishful thinking?) that BN and staff are overwhelmed with everything and it will take the off season for them to really learn and adjust game day coaching and schemes for next year.

I'm also hoping that part of the reason for being overwhelmed is the extra work they are putting into recruiting. We'll (or I'll) know ESD.

Right now, IMO, it's all about recruiting.
 

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I would love it if they string together top 5 classes.

Even if they can't coach

At least it will be set up for the next guy.

I want to beleive (wishful thinking?) that BN and staff are overwhelmed with everything and it will take the off season for them to really learn and adjust game day coaching and schemes for next year.

I'm also hoping that part of the reason for being overwhelmed is the extra work they are putting into recruiting. We'll (or I'll) know ESD.

Right now, IMO, it's all about recruiting.

It certainly is because we aren't going anywhere for the time being regardless. Will come a time when decisionmaking on the fly will be critical to the program. I just hope we have the right guy when that time comes.
 

jdh5484

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It certainly is because we aren't going anywhere for the time being regardless. Will come a time when decisionmaking on the fly will be critical to the program. I just hope we have the right guy when that time comes.
It could be a couple of years or another decade.

:dunno:

It ain't this year. (on the field)

I doubt it's next year.
 

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As I said, not really defending BN and his offense, but there’s zero data to support AR being great to this point. Could a better offense suit him, sure. But I also think a better QB would have us in a better situation than we’re in.
There's also zero data that points to this being a great offense
 

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