***Official Florida Football coaching hires 2017***

[Durty South Swamp]

I don't know why its so controversial to say that it would be better if we were hiring coaches that were more seasoned and proven at higher competition levels? Seriously, why is this a debate?

No one has ever said that you cant find a good coach at a directional school. The issue is this is all a numbers/percentage game. You have a better chance of hitting pay dirt if you are mining in a known gold producing area. Can you strike gold in an otherwise ignored spot? Yep, but if you make that your standard instead of the exception, your chances for failure are going to increase substantially.

Again, this is not a controversial issue. And there are always specific examples that contradict the general narrative, but the average over time is doubtful to change. Pull from proven commodities at high level areas and you'll increase your chances of finding talent.

 

[Go Gata]

Seems like it should be discussed more often that our continued multi-million dollar payments to Mussychamp have been akin to the program being on probation in a financial rather than scholarship sense.

How many coaches would have come to UF to be on Mac's staff if not for our inability to pay them what they're worth? (Rhetorical question)

 

[Omar's Coming Yo!]

I don't know why its so controversial to say that it would be better if we were hiring coaches that were more seasoned and proven at higher competition levels? Seriously, why is this a debate?

No one has ever said that you cant find a good coach at a directional school. The issue is this is all a numbers/percentage game. You have a better chance of hitting pay dirt if you are mining in a known gold producing area. Can you strike gold in an otherwise ignored spot? Yep, but if you make that your standard instead of the exception, your chances for failure are going to increase substantially.

Again, this is not a controversial issue. And there are always specific examples that contradict the general narrative, but the average over time is doubtful to change. Pull from proven commodities at high level areas and you'll increase your chances of finding talent.

This times a million.

 

[T REX]

I don't doubt it - especially from Bowl, ever the optimist. In fact, I recall having conversations with my dad about the hire where he expressed excitement about tampa recruiting coming back.

Wasn't Armwood accused of cheating a while back? I don't think Dad or son were well liked by other bay area coaches. So I'm not sure how that would help "recruiting".

 

[LighthouseGator]

Wasn't Armwood accused of cheating a while back? I don't think Dad or son were well liked by other bay area coaches. So I'm not sure how that would help "recruiting".

Clearly it didn't Captain Hindsight.

 

[Alagator]

I don't know why its so controversial to say that it would be better if we were hiring coaches that were more seasoned and proven at higher competition levels? Seriously, why is this a debate?

No one has ever said that you cant find a good coach at a directional school. The issue is this is all a numbers/percentage game. You have a better chance of hitting pay dirt if you are mining in a known gold producing area. Can you strike gold in an otherwise ignored spot? Yep, but if you make that your standard instead of the exception, your chances for failure are going to increase substantially.

Again, this is not a controversial issue. And there are always specific examples that contradict the general narrative, but the average over time is doubtful to change. Pull from proven commodities at high level areas and you'll increase your chances of finding talent.

I completely agree with what you've said...100% agree... The push back you are getting is over the general narrative that: directional school = sh!!tty coach.

At the end of the day, I'm just seeing more of the same... Doom and gloomers say how terrible and horrible this is... Pumpers trying to find something positive... Rinse, wash, repeat...

 

[ThreatMatrix]

I don't know why its so controversial to say that it would be better if we were hiring coaches that were more seasoned and proven at higher competition levels? Seriously, why is this a debate?

No one has ever said that you cant find a good coach at a directional school. The issue is this is all a numbers/percentage game. You have a better chance of hitting pay dirt if you are mining in a known gold producing area. Can you strike gold in an otherwise ignored spot? Yep, but if you make that your standard instead of the exception, your chances for failure are going to increase substantially.

Again, this is not a controversial issue. And there are always specific examples that contradict the general narrative, but the average over time is doubtful to change. Pull from proven commodities at high level areas and you'll increase your chances of finding talent.

You must have Law on ignore.

 

[gatormandan]

I still say that the better coaches were hesitant due to Mac being on the hotseat. Why leave a comfortable position to be unemployed in a year?

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I understand the point you're making. You don't need to support it with alternative facts.

ldman:

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I still say that the better coaches were hesitant due to Mac being on the hotseat. Why leave a comfortable position to be unemployed in a year?

That is the danger of getting blown the frack out 7 times and putting 100th ranked offenses. No matter how much the pumpers pump, everyone knows you are teetering on the edge.

 

[alcoholica]

What's this Mac on the hot seat? Being on message board hot seat doesn't really count. He's won the East in both seasons. His recruiting rankings have improved each year. He's done this without a QB worth a damn. His first real QB's he's brought in will be RS Freshmen this year. I'm not saying I don't think he's made mistakes, but there is progress being made. If he can't get the offense on track this season I can see things getting dicey, but I just don't think he's on a hot seat. If he falls flat this year then yes, but that hasn't happened yet.

 

[Gator2222]

You don't think that Saban, Jimbo, Meyer and Harbaugh have more leeway when it comes to hiring or anything for that matter? The examples are all of championship caliber coaches. It's like comparing LDR to Tim Tebow. If you don't think WHO does the hiring matters I have news for you...lol.

Again, the post was in response to someone claiming that you can't find talented coaches at small schools. I'm not going off topic no matter how hard you try.

 

[ATXGator]

What's this Mac on the hot seat? Being on message board hot seat doesn't really count. He's won the East in both seasons. His recruiting rankings have improved each year. He's done this without a QB worth a damn. His first real QB's he's brought in will be RS Freshmen this year. I'm not saying I don't think he's made mistakes, but there is progress being made. If he can't get the offense on track this season I can see things getting dicey, but I just don't think he's on a hot seat. If he falls flat this year then yes, but that hasn't happened yet.

No no no... this message board hot seat is all that matters... if the message board wants him fired... then of course the will be fired...

Don't go using logic here!

 

[Omar's Coming Yo!]

What's this Mac on the hot seat? Being on message board hot seat doesn't really count. He's won the East in both seasons. His recruiting rankings have improved each year. He's done this without a QB worth a damn. His first real QB's he's brought in will be RS Freshmen this year. I'm not saying I don't think he's made mistakes, but there is progress being made. If he can't get the offense on track this season I can see things getting dicey, but I just don't think he's on a hot seat. If he falls flat this year then yes, but that hasn't happened yet.

Winning the East doesn't matter when you get beat on average by 3 TDs in your losses, Fill the team full of 2-3*s, have an offense in the 100's multiple years, can't find a QB, have the least amount of rushing yards in over a decade, can't score a TD vs FSU, and mismanage staff hiring.

 

[NavetG8r]

Again, the post was in response to someone claiming that you can't find talented coaches at small schools. I'm not going off topic no matter how hard you try.

And this is why I said he's losing it. He can't seem to stay on topic to save his soul. Somehow you showing that good coaches CAN come from small schools, turned into Championship coaches get more lee-way for hiring assistants...He's coming unglued.

 

[gatormandan]

What's this Mac on the hot seat? Being on message board hot seat doesn't really count. He's won the East in both seasons. His recruiting rankings have improved each year. He's done this without a QB worth a damn. His first real QB's he's brought in will be RS Freshmen this year. I'm not saying I don't think he's made mistakes, but there is progress being made. If he can't get the offense on track this season I can see things getting dicey, but I just don't think he's on a hot seat. If he falls flat this year then yes, but that hasn't happened yet.

I think its more of a perceived hot seat and all of the recruiting issues leading up to NSD didnt do him any justice. Its never good when the talking heads are exposing the issues across all media. I think he better have a strong offensive game plan and show some substantial improvement this year.

 

[MJMGator]

What's this Mac on the hot seat? Being on message board hot seat doesn't really count. He's won the East in both seasons. His recruiting rankings have improved each year. He's done this without a QB worth a damn. His first real QB's he's brought in will be RS Freshmen this year. I'm not saying I don't think he's made mistakes, but there is progress being made. If he can't get the offense on track this season I can see things getting dicey, but I just don't think he's on a hot seat. If he falls flat this year then yes, but that hasn't happened yet.

Where is the progress? Offense? Laughable.
The defense was solid when he got here.
Coaching hires? I don't think so.
Recruiting? We were on the verge of a complete disaster and somehow managed to squeeze out a solid class, but it was still well behind our rivals.
Being competitive against our rivals and/or top tier programs? Those results speak for themselves.

I see ZERO progress other than a bowl win over one of the few teams in the land with a worse offense than ours. Go ahead and label me whatever you wish, but that's the way it appears to me. Wrong guy for this rebuild project IMO.

 

[MertzJay26]

Winning the East is like being the tallest midget (no offense, URG). It means nothing when you get blown out by Bama (and almost every good team we play).

Things have to improve drastically or he will be on the hot seat. Another year of 100+ ranked O and no QB will do it.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

I completely agree with what you've said...100% agree... The push back you are getting is over the general narrative that: directional school = sh!!tty coach.

At the end of the day, I'm just seeing more of the same... Doom and gloomers say how terrible and horrible this is... Pumpers trying to find something positive... Rinse, wash, repeat...

Ala, the numbers are what they are... most coaches at real low levels are at best average coaches; for every one that is great and ends up somewhere big time, there's a bakers dozen that never go further or have any success at higher levels. The general narrative is rooted in a decent amount of truth and reality. It really doesn't matter whether any of us like it or not.

You must have Law on ignore.

No, Ive seen his posts, and Ive seen him state a few times that he doesn't have a huge issue with an every now and then from the lower tier levels. His concern and irritation is because he feels we have been dipping into that area far too often; and honestly I agree with him on that point, though I'm not freaking out about it.

 

[GatorAuthor]

Seems like it should be discussed more often that our continued multi-million dollar payments to Mussychamp have been akin to the program being on probation in a financial rather than scholarship sense.

How many coaches would have come to UF to be on Mac's staff if not for our inability to pay them what they're worth? (Rhetorical question)

The myth of UF not paying its coaches persists despite the facts proving otherwise!! That mantra sure must be powerful b/c it's repeated over and over and over. It's like that myth has a life of its own.

As I've posted and linked before, USA Today did a nation-wide survey on this precise topic about a year ago. They published the article on that interweb thing, and all the data is there for everyone to see, download, analyze, etc. It showed UF was in the top 7 - 10 in the country re: compensation to its assistant football coaches. If UF has changed its philosophy in the last year, it'd be good to see that data.

I hope everyone has a great rest of the day. Peace.