Mac Mindset: Quincy Wilson admits he was out of shape, benched for most of rookie year

[bradgator2]

I didn't say make him the AD, I said negotiate the contracts.

It's gotten to the point w/ these contracts that the schools are held hostage by the agents (and coaches). At some point an AD has to say "enough!".

It would take some balls, but I'd love to see an AD say "F*ck it!!" and hire someone like a Kerwin Bell (just using him as an example since we all know who he is - but a coach at a lower division school w/ a proven winning record, fun offense, and ties to your school). Give him a 2-year $500k/year contract w/ incentives, and a fat buyout if he wants to leave. You know he'd take the job. If he wins by year 2 give him a "real" contract. Otherwise, what have you lost? We (UF fans) lost 8 years of UF football....and by the time (or "if") Mullen turns it around it will have been a decade of lost football. I'd say Kerwin Bell would have just as much chance to win at UF as Mullen does. Also, Bell wouldn't be switching to a spread option. Just a thought....

Why not simply make the contract totally incentive based? You get a base salary of something like $500,000 a year. You get a $200,000 for each win, $0 for a loss. $200,000 to get into the SEC title game, another $200,000 to win it. Etc, etc. These coaches are mercenaries, so let's set up the pay that way.

I know it'll probably never happen. But maybe one AD will try it one day.

 

[NVGator]

These are 101 level contract stuff. First year law student type stuff. If you move out of an apartment breaking your lease which said $1000 a month x 1 year and the landlord rents the empty apartment to someone else for $1000 a month, the landlord doesnt get your $1000 a month and the rent from the new tenant. Why? Offsets apply. The landlord is only entitled to the expectation he had when he made the contract, 1000x 12 months. For breakingbthe lease you will pay for damages such as cleaning the apartment, the cost of advertising, the 30 days the apartment was empty etc but the law is clear on these things.

Its no different w an employee. You have a contract for two years at $300k a year, get fired and get another job making $250k, then you are only entitled to the difference.

Covenents not to compete in high end contracts, we appear to be the only university that has never heard of them. And they were livid when the press brought it up, as if it was absurd to even question their ability.

These arent complex. Any first semester law student or paralegal would get the right answer.

We have a level of immeasurable incompetence un the AD office. The incompetence seems tonreach every area.

Huh. That’s interesting. You know, I swear I was told by a lot of posters on here that our waiting period for Kelly was due to the complex nature of the contracts. Something like hundreds of pages worth of timelines and conditions and the likes. I mean, really complex contract negotiations with Kelly.

 

[AugustaGator]

Why not simply make the contract totally incentive based? You get a base salary of something like $500,000 a year. You get a $200,000 for each win, $0 for a loss. $200,000 to get into the SEC title game, another $200,000 to win it. Etc, etc. These coaches are mercenaries, so let's set up the pay that way.

I know it'll probably never happen. But maybe one AD will try it one day.

Base salary of $1.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Huh. That’s interesting. You know, I swear I was told by a lot of posters on here that our waiting period for Kelly was due to the complex nature of the contracts.

I know you are a little bit slow, but the fact that these are basic provisions any fool (except PDS) would put in a contract has nothing to do with some divas demanding everything to include the type of coffee and donuts available in the breakroom in their contracts.

Remember Strickland saying some agents were misleading regarding their client's interest (and interest other jobs likely), thisnwas what he was talking about.

Or maybe you think they loaded up all the Dept ADs, and President and flew up just to see what NH is like.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Why not simply make the contract totally incentive based? You get a base salary of something like $500,000 a year. You get a $200,000 for each win, $0 for a loss. $200,000 to get into the SEC title game, another $200,000 to win it. Etc, etc. These coaches are mercenaries, so let's set up the pay that way.

I know it'll probably never happen. But maybe one AD will try it one day.

Because it is a seller's market.

 

[FireFoley]

Because it is a seller's market.

And yet we (meaning the Athletic Administration Morons) continually buy steaming piles of simply b/c someone tells us it is a GEM

 

[Acecustis]

I would have fired Nussdrunk (actually would have never hired him) and would have hired a competent DC the year before. Shannon would have been fired for being brought in to recruit and failing decisively at it in addition to being a terrible position coach.

Your interim HC would be a high flying OC or maybe Torian Gray. The negotiation fornthe coordinator position goes better when you advise the OC that he will get the first look as HC if Butters shockingly fails to improve. That is what you want as an OC, a guy who you can see as youre future HC, not some retread, journeyman, or failure who has been fired at last 3 jobs.

I agree with you on Nuss. That was one of the dumber hires someone can make. I disagree on Shannon as a position coach. I actually think he is a pretty good LB coach but I would have still fired him as he was a predictable disaster as a recruiter.

 

[BMF]

Why not simply make the contract totally incentive based? You get a base salary of something like $500,000 a year. You get a $200,000 for each win, $0 for a loss. $200,000 to get into the SEC title game, another $200,000 to win it. Etc, etc. These coaches are mercenaries, so let's set up the pay that way.

I know it'll probably never happen. But maybe one AD will try it one day.

Why not? Because no one established would take it. You'd have to do what I suggested first, then if a few programs followed it would be more acceptable....until there's a bidding war for a coach. As Law said, it's a seller's market.

 

[divits]

It's not quite 11 months since Mac received his last raise and extension.

 

[Theologator]

How long must we suffer from PMS (Post-Mac Syndrome)? These stories keep jabbing the raw wound.

And as much as can be complained re: Muschamp, I don’t recall the players being physically unprepared.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

The Mac regime really instilled a great work ethic into these boys.

Discuss.

I like to knock McElwain as much as anyone, but Wilson would hardly be first guy to get a seven figure signing bonus and get lazy and come to the season out of shape. Hopefully, he can get in shape and have a nice NFL career.

This could also just be a smokescreen. Maybe Wilson was in top shape and just is not good enough. I promise you any football player at that level would rather claim they were out of shape than admit they were not good enough, but plenty of 2nd round or even 1st round picks for that matter turn out not to be good enough to start in the NFL or justify their draft standing.

 

[NVGator]

I know you are a little bit slow, but the fact that these are basic provisions any fool (except PDS) would put in a contract has nothing to do with some divas demanding everything to include the type of coffee and donuts available in the breakroom in their contracts.

Remember Strickland saying some agents were misleading regarding their client's interest (and interest other jobs likely), thisnwas what he was talking about.

Or maybe you think they loaded up all the Dept ADs, and President and flew up just to see what NH is like.

Clearly you are the slow one because you missed all the sarcasm in my post. But, that’s ok.

 

[CGgater]

And as much as can be complained re: Muschamp, I don’t recall the players being physically unprepared.

Unless you count ACL injuries during non-contact drills.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Clearly you are the slow one because you missed all the sarcasm in my post. But, that’s ok.

Clearly.

 

[Chomper]

Thank you Quincy Wilson for being honest and shedding even more light on what most of us have been saying for a while now. Last 3 years we had a lazy ass coach who had no business being a head coach anywhere, much less at The University of Florida. Lack of conditioning and lack of effort was very obvious but some players did very well at credit card fraud. I can't stand even to look at pictures of McElbutt. What a waste of money.

 

[lizardbreath]

I don't normally quibble much with FF, but McElwain would be a waste of skin in a total vacuum - presumed decaying societal norms not withstanding. He is in a league of his own as far as being a deadbeat, good-for-nothing "taker" is concerned. Not everyone who sits on a couch is either being paid millions to get off their ass and do something, or would even try to present themselves as being worthy of that privilege in the first place. McDouche made more money in (and after) his tenure at UF, than most Americans will see in a lifetime of honest work. The blame for JM's half-ass approach to his "professional" responsibilities is his alone. I love America, warts and all, but I detest his sorry ass, in case you haven't noticed.

 

[oxrageous]

I like to knock McElwain as much as anyone, but Wilson would hardly be first guy to get a seven figure signing bonus and get lazy and come to the season out of shape. Hopefully, he can get in shape and have a nice NFL career.

This could also just be a smokescreen. Maybe Wilson was in top shape and just is not good enough. I promise you any football player at that level would rather claim they were out of shape than admit they were not good enough, but plenty of 2nd round or even 1st round picks for that matter turn out not to be good enough to start in the NFL or justify their draft standing.

The strength and conditioning program was a total sham and these players had no accountability at all. I absolutely think there’s a relation.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

The strength and conditioning program was a total sham and these players had no accountability at all. I absolutely think there’s a relation.

Maybe maybe not, there has never been a coaching change in the history of college football where the new staff wasn't going whip the players in to better shape. You would think the fans of a program that changes coaches as often as UF football has in the 21st century would notice this characteristics of coaching changes.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Maybe maybe not,

There has never been a coaching staff in history where the AD is openly questioning what the hell was going on in the previous S&C program and where the football player alums were noting that current players felt like they needed to attend outside training just to get ready for the season.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

There has never been a coaching staff in history where the AD is openly questioning what the hell was going on in the previous S&C program and where the football player alums were noting that current players felt like they needed to attend outside training just to get ready for the season.

Sure. I am shocked I tell you shocked Rick that there is gambling going on back there. I am also equally shocked I tell shocked that the AD that fired McElwain and hired his guy from his former school would question the strength and conditioning program of the guy he fired. Who could imagine a guy who has put his neck on the line by hiring the coach at Miss State with a losing record in the SEC would think of trashing the prior coach. What possible motive could he have?

Throw in the strong strong evidence that ex-players think the current players are coddled. When has it ever been that the old timers think the youngsters down work hard enough. Add in the SEC facilities race and of course this evidence of old players carries the day. Ha.

Oh well when UF wins 10 games this year like I said they should, you can come back and rub the strength in conditioning in face and think you are right.

You guys would buy anything. The king is dead long live the king.