Goldkamp: Move to 3-4 creates a tricky situation at defensive end

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Good breakdown by our boy Goldkamp. Haven't seen him posting here since he got his panties in a wad during the coaching hire... Would like to see @Itraz thoughts/inputs on this.

Move to 3-4 creates a tricky situation at defensive end
With a move to a 3-4 defense, Florida has a glut of players that might not quite fit as a traditional 3-4 defensive end. It'll make for an interesting spring and offseason.


https://florida.247sports.com/Bolt/...a-tricky-situation-at-defensive-end-112781260


GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- With the Early Signing Period over, GatorBait.net stops to take a look at each position on the roster to identify remaining needs and look at strengths and weaknesses of the players at the position. Today we continue with the defensive ends.

Defensive Ends
Players:

CeCe Jefferson, SR
Jabari Zuniga, RJR
Keivonnis Davis, RJR*
Luke Ancrum, RJR
Jachai Polite, JR
Elijah Conliffe, SO
Zachary Carter, RSO

* Currently indefinitely suspended

Overview: This is going to be a tough position to project until we get to spring practice, because of the abundance of bodies who could fit either at defensive end or as a rush linebacker position in the 3-4 system. The three who seem most certain to play as five-technique ends are Zuniga, Conliffe and Carter, but Florida will likely bulk up some others to get them into the ideal size profile to play the position as well.

Strengths: Athleticism

There's no denying that on paper this was a group put together to feature a lot of pass-rushers in a 4-3 system. There are several undersized bodies that will need to add some serious mass if they're going to spend the majority of their snaps as a five-technique. Still, it's usually easier to add size and maintain most of the athletic ability rather than shed size and pick up additional athleticism. That's the good news.

Weaknesses: Size, Strength

Even a year ago the ends often had trouble setting the edge, and that task is so much more important for a five-technique. That's why we have a guy like Conliffe, who has terrific size and above-average athleticism for a 4-3 defensive tackle, moving outside to anchor one end. But there's no doubt that this group will have to be recruited differently going forward.

What Needs To Happen: Zuniga and Carter likely need to add a bit more bulk, while Conliffe might could stand to shed a few pounds. From there, it's on the staff to identify which other guys they think can reasonably add some more weight and be productive. Polite seems like the next best bet, though he doesn't have the length of a typical five-technique. If Jefferson or Davis are around for the 2018 season, Florida can probably squeeze enough reps out of that duo to get by a little undersized next fall.

What We Expect: Conliffe seems all but certain to start as a guy who has some experience and is the absolute ideal fit for a five-technique. The Gators just don't have any other guys that scream 'fit' for that role. Carter is probably the guy whose chances of playing a huge role increase most dramatically. Expect those two and Zuniga to be the three getting the most run at those end spots, with the staff looking to find one to two more who can complement them in spring ball.
 

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Conliffe seems like a great guy. I followed his recruiting pretty closely and I thought he could be really awesome for us. Plus he's a Vader fan and nerd.
 

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Bottom line is we need Conliffe, Polite, Zuniga, and Carter ready to play a lot of DE (and 3 of those guys need to add weight). I wish they had found a JUCO or grad transfer to add to this group.

The off-season S&C program is going to be extremely challenged w/ this returning group.
 

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Ummm......not to be a dick, but aren't we a bit undersized at DE regardless? And how good are we at the LB position as is, much less putting in a defense that requires great play at that position.
 

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Ummm......not to be a dick, but aren't we a bit undersized at DE regardless? And how good are we at the LB position as is, much less putting in a defense that requires great play at that position.

Itraz wrote this in the recruiting thread when discussing the 3-4 vs. the 4-3:


 

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They’ve already said they will adjust to the guys we have & shift more toward their preferences as they are able to add players that fit those schemes.

That said, they didn’t even mention Clayton as a DE. How do you guys see/like him at OLB?
 

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Nobody is talking about Luke Ancrum. Hes listed at 6'5 and has some experience. He seems like he could be a versatile guy in the front 7 with a good offseason.
 

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They’ve already said they will adjust to the guys we have & shift more toward their preferences as they are able to add players that fit those schemes.

That said, they didn’t even mention Clayton as a DE. How do you guys see/like him at OLB?

Good catch on Clayton (Goldkamp didn't include him). Also Ancrum isn't discussed, but is a viable option. Clayton is listed at 254 and Ancrum at 263. Those are two bodies who could add depth, but need to put on weight. If both of those guys get into the 270+ range they'll fit in nicely. I know Ancrum isn't thought too highly of around here, there is still a lot to be said of a 4th year player who has SEC experience.

We'll have a solid DT/NG rotation with:

Slaton - 350lbs
Clark - 315lbs
Dunlap - 325lbs
Campbell - 305lbs
Desir-Jones - 290+ (if he returns from suspension, and he could be a DE in the 3-4)

Then we have a ton of undersized DE's, except for Conliffe:

Conliffe - 315lbs
Polite - 260+
Ancrum - 265+
Clayton - 255+
Zuniga - 255+ (actually listed at 246 on current roster, I'm guessing he gains weight)
Carter - 270+

That's a lot of bodies for a 3-man DL rotation.

I'm guessing Jefferson moves to LB and Davis may not return (due to the injury and the arrest).
 

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In the past, have we ever been exclusively a 3-4 defense under any of our past coordinators? Just seems like I remember us mostly playing with 4 defensive linemen, except in certain situations.
 

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Here's a snip from MSU's roster. They have some big boys along the DL....and several 265-275lb DL's.

They also have a 6'1 255 LB from St. Thomas Aquinas (Jake Allen's HS teammate):

MSU DL.PNG MSU DL2.PNG MSU DL3.PNG MSU LB.PNG
 

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I can't find the tweet, but apparently Clayton tweeted he's up to 272lbs. That's great news! He could easily be 280 by the fall.
 

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I can't find the tweet, but apparently Clayton tweeted he's up to 272lbs. That's great news! He could easily be 280 by the fall.

This is very good news. I hope Clayton is able to thrive under the new staff and show what he is capable of. This team does not have the pieces (as of now) to jump into a 3-4 and play it exclusively. Grantham will slowly have to transition into one in the coming years. I think the change in scheme will pay dividends early though. Regardless of having a young defense, we were WAY too vanilla under Shannon last year.
 

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This is not a knock at Cousin Eddie, b/c everyone knows I think he sux, but Cousin Eddie is from the school of the following mantra: "There is no offense, there is no defense. There is no specific system. We coach the players we have and put them in a position to be the best players they can be. We will put in a system that fits their skills"
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Fantastic post! Thank you very much for the tutorial, traz. I learned a lot, and am completely sold on the idea that a 3-4 is the scheme we need to run in 2018. Keep 'em coming, please!
 

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