Carrie Fisher, Dead at age 60 (mother Debbie Reynolds dies the next day)

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BVM stands for bag valve mask. It is what medics use to breathe for a patient rather than mouth to mouth. AEDs are everywhere so I would be surprised if this plane didn't have one. But you can only do so much when someone has complete blockage of blood flow to the heart's blood vessels.

Do we know Fisher had a complete blockage? I've been reading the issue could have been electrical.

Re Debbie Reynolds, it makes my mind race back to a little less than a year ago, when a very good high school friend, 60, and then his mother passed away a week apart. My buddy died of heart failure while driving to Michigan from Chicago. The family was just devastated.

 

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This is the pic I love most of Carrie Fisher. Just a sassy little '70s girl. She definitely had her share of demons. Don't we all?

 

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Do we know Fisher had a complete blockage? I've been reading the issue could have been electrical.

Re Debbie Reynolds, it makes my mind race back to a little less than a year ago, when a very good high school friend, 60, and then his mother passed away a week apart. My buddy died of heart failure while driving to Michigan from Chicago. The family was just devastated.

No idea. The article I read said she had a heart attack. That refers to a blockage in the coronary arteries. If her heart stopped, most likely she had a complete blockage of a major vessel. Heart attacks commonly cause abnormal heart rhythms which using a defibrillator can help, but ultimately unless you clear the blockage in the artery it won't do much. Blocking blood flow, blocks oxygen from getting to the tissue which kills it and the heart stops working.

 

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No idea. The article I read said she had a heart attack. That refers to a blockage in the coronary arteries. If her heart stopped, most likely she had a complete blockage of a major vessel. Heart attacks commonly cause abnormal heart rhythms which using a defibrillator can help, but ultimately unless you clear the blockage in the artery it won't do much. Blocking blood flow, blocks oxygen from getting to the tissue which kills it and the heart stops working.

She was a '70s party animal, though you wonder if it was more to cope than to pop off. Blow, lots of booze and Percodan, which she claimed helped "dial down" her bipolar. The global fame from Star Wars brought depression. During a roast of George Lucas years go, she said he "ruined" her life. She said it tongue in cheek, but you knew there was a lot of honesty behind her words. She never could quite handle what fame brought.

 

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She walks to the microphone and says, "Hi, my name is Carrie and I'm an alcoholic." The audience, which includes Harrison Ford and his wife a few feet away, is so caught off guard that they don't know whether to laugh or gasp. Listen to what she has to say next. Ford, with whom she had an alleged affair during the filming of Star Wars, is just shriiiiiiinking into his chair.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Do we know Fisher had a complete blockage? I've been reading the issue could have been electrical.

Not that I've heard, but smoker with a long flight screams thrombosis (blood clot) to me.

Defibrillators only work on a couple of very specific dysrhythmias.

 

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Not that I've heard, but smoker with a long flight screams thrombosis (blood clot) to me.

Defibrillators only work on a couple of very specific dysrhythmias.

No one knows for sure at this point, but the risk from thrombosis is to the lungs. Authorities said she had a cardiac event but stopped short of terming it a heart attack, which led to speculation of a possible electrical malfunction. That's where defib came into the discussion.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Most people die of a cardiac event, eventually. PEs become cardiac events, slitting your wrist becomes a cardiac event.

They have been quite vague. Said she was stable when in fact she was braindead from extended cpr.

We will see.

 

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Most people die of a cardiac event, eventually. We will see.

ALL people die of a cardiac event. It's a matter of identifying the underlying cause.

 

[GR8 2B]

ALL people die of a cardiac event. It's a matter of identifying the underlying cause.

A/k/a the "mechanism of death".

 

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ALL people die of a cardiac event. It's a matter of identifying the underlying cause.

Cardiac arrest IS clinical death. It is not something you die from. A "cardiac event" means nothing. It isn't a medical term. You will never see either listed as the cause of death.

 

[GatorBart]

Do we know Fisher had a complete blockage? I've been reading the issue could have been electrical.

Re Debbie Reynolds, it makes my mind race back to a little less than a year ago, when a very good high school friend, 60, and then his mother passed away a week apart. My buddy died of heart failure while driving to Michigan from Chicago. The family was just devastated.

Interesting observation (electrical) - pretty sure I read she voluntarily underwent electro-shock therapy for a while as treatment for her bi-polar condition (and maybe even addiction, IDK). I'm no doctor, but maybe G2 can shed some light on whether or not ES may cause heart irregularities and eventual failure.

 

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Interesting observation (electrical) - pretty sure I read she voluntarily underwent electro-shock therapy for a while as treatment for her bi-polar condition (and maybe even addiction, IDK). I'm no doctor, but maybe G2 can shed some light on whether or not ES may cause heart irregularities and eventual failure.

Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) has no bearing on the heart. The heart has automaticity which means the heart has the capability to set its own rate/rhythm without external input. The rhythm is controlled locally by special heart cells. If she went into sudden cardiac arrest due to a heart arrhythmia it was most likely due to underlying heart disease due to her age, smoking and being overweight which damage the heart cells.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

 

[itsgr82bag8r]

Yes, much.

 

[URGatorBait]

http://time.com/4823788/carrie-fisher-cocaine-heroin-autopsy/

 

[crosscreekcooter]

http://www.wesh.com/article/blue-moon-cafe-owner-offers-troops-a-reminder-of-home-cooking/10042438

Fisher long battled drug addiction and mental illness. She said she smoked pot at 13, used LSD by 21 and was diagnosed with bipolar disorder at 24. She was treated with electroshock therapy and medication.

So, in this case would pot be considered a gateway drug?

 

[NavetG8r]

So, in this case would pot be considered a gateway drug?

I'd be willing to bet she tried alcohol first. If so, wouldn't that make alcohol the true gateway drug?

 

[TLB]

http://www.wesh.com/article/blue-moon-cafe-owner-offers-troops-a-reminder-of-home-cooking/10042438

I"m not following the connection for Carrie Fisher and the cafe owner that cooks for troops, nor why Cooter quoted it?

 

[URGatorBait]

I"m not following the connection for Carrie Fisher and the cafe owner that cooks for troops, nor why Cooter quoted it?

I don't know why it went to the next story on that site.

anyway, I switched it to another site.

cocaine, heroin and ecstacy in her system

http://time.com/4823788/carrie-fisher-cocaine-heroin-autopsy/