Let compare some of the young candidates offenses

[InstiGATOR1]

Let’s compare the offenses among some rumored and nonrumored UF coaching candidates:

Points Per Game (National Rank):

Brohm: PPG2017: 24.1 (93rd), PPG2016: 45.2 (1st), PPG2015: 44.3 (2nd) (2015 and 2016 were at WKU)

Campbell: PPG2017: 31.0 (39th), PPG2016: 28.4 (64th), PPG2015: 35.0 (6th) (2015 was at Toledo)

Frost: PPG2017: 47.3 (1st), PPG2016: 28.0 (64th), PPG2015: 41.5 (6th) (2015 was at Oregon as OC)

Fuente: PPG2017: 36.6 (19th), PPG2016: 34.9 (19th), PPG2015: 38.2 (12th) (2015 was at Memphis)

Norvell: PPG2017: 42.3 (7th), PPG2016: 39.2 (14th), PPG2015: 34.6 (28th) (2015 was as OC at Arizona State)

Brohm is included mainly for comparison as he was the Scott Frost of last year and the year before, but of course did not get a UF level job. These numbers are from Teamranking.com who I believe omit stats against D1AA teams, so this may vary a bit from other sources.

If I have this correct, Brohm is in his first year at Purdue and spent the prior two a WKU. Campbell is in his second season at ISU and was previously a number of years at Toledo. Frost is in his second season at UCF and before that was the OC at Oregon. Fuente is in his second year at VaTech and prior to that was at Memphis. Norvell is in his second season as the Memphis HC and was the Arizona State OC before that.

 

[Bernardo de la Paz]

There is more to it than statistics

 

[InstiGATOR1]

There is more to it than statistics

There certainly is more to is that statistics which is why I mentioned the places, ie the levels, where each guy has been coaching.

I have seen the Troy coach mentioned in connection to this job. His offensive scoring is 23.7 and ranked 97th in the country this year. I suspect that is useful information about whether or not he is a serious candidate.

Also this information provides an insight in what happens to a coach's offense when that coach moves up a level or two in class. That could be useful to some UF fans.

 

[BMF]

Let’s compare the offenses among some rumored and nonrumored UF coaching candidates:

Points Per Game (National Rank):

Brohm: PPG2017: 24.1 (93rd), PPG2016: 45.2 (1st), PPG2015: 44.3 (2nd) (2015 and 2016 were at WKU)

Campbell: PPG2017: 31.0 (39th), PPG2016: 28.4 (64th), PPG2015: 35.0 (6th) (2015 was at Toledo)

Frost: PPG2017: 47.3 (1st), PPG2016: 28.0 (64th), PPG2015: 41.5 (6th) (2015 was at Oregon as OC)

Fuente: PPG2017: 36.6 (19th), PPG2016: 34.9 (19th), PPG2015: 38.2 (12th) (2015 was at Toledo)

Norvell: PPG2017: 42.3 (7th), PPG2016: 39.2 (14th), PPG2015: 38.2 (12th) (2015 was as OC at Memphis)

Brohm is included mainly for comparison as he was the Scott Frost of last year and the year before, but of course did not get a UF level job. These numbers are from Teamranking.com who I believe omit stats against D1AA teams, so this may vary a bit from other sources.

If I have this correct, Brohm is in his first year at Purdue and spent the prior two a WKU. Campbell is in his second season at ISU and was previously a number of years at Toledo. Frost is in his second season at UCF and before that was the OC at Oregon. Fuente is in his second year at VaTech and prior to that was at Memphis. Norvell is in his second season as the Memphis HC and was the Memphis OC before that.

Fuente actually came from Memphis. Good break down....

 

[InstiGATOR1]

Fuente actually came from Memphis. Good break down....

Thanks, the evils of cut and paste to create similar lines.

 

[Blacklabgator]

We should put Kiffin stats up as well.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

Now lets look at run/pass breakdown.

Percentage of pass attempts:

Brohm: Pass%2017: 51.2%, Pass%2016: 49.2%, Pass%2015: 54.4%

Campbell: Pass%2017: 52.8%, Pass%2016: 46.5%, Pass%2015: 47.3%

Frost: Pass%2017: 46.0%, Pass%2016: 42.1%, Pass%2015: 37.8%

Fuente: Pass%2017: 41.3%, Pass%2016: 41.3%, Pass%2015: 45.2%

Norvell: Pass%2017: 55.3%, Pass%2016: 49.5%, Pass%2015: 49.9%

 

[t-gator]

Let’s compare the offenses among some rumored and nonrumored UF coaching candidates:

Points Per Game (National Rank):

Brohm: PPG2017: 24.1 (93rd), PPG2016: 45.2 (1st), PPG2015: 44.3 (2nd) (2015 and 2016 were at WKU)

Campbell: PPG2017: 31.0 (39th), PPG2016: 28.4 (64th), PPG2015: 35.0 (6th) (2015 was at Toledo)

Frost: PPG2017: 47.3 (1st), PPG2016: 28.0 (64th), PPG2015: 41.5 (6th) (2015 was at Oregon as OC)

Fuente: PPG2017: 36.6 (19th), PPG2016: 34.9 (19th), PPG2015: 38.2 (12th) (2015 was at Memphis)

Norvell: PPG2017: 42.3 (7th), PPG2016: 39.2 (14th), PPG2015: 38.2 (12th) (2015 was as OC at Memphis)

Brohm is included mainly for comparison as he was the Scott Frost of last year and the year before, but of course did not get a UF level job. These numbers are from Teamranking.com who I believe omit stats against D1AA teams, so this may vary a bit from other sources.

If I have this correct, Brohm is in his first year at Purdue and spent the prior two a WKU. Campbell is in his second season at ISU and was previously a number of years at Toledo. Frost is in his second season at UCF and before that was the OC at Oregon. Fuente is in his second year at VaTech and prior to that was at Memphis. Norvell is in his second season as the Memphis HC and was the Memphis OC before that.

Norvell was not the oc at Memphis. He was the oc Arizona state. This is his system not fuente. He never worked for fuente.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

Norvell was not the oc at Memphis. He was the oc Arizona state. This is his system not fuente. He never worked for fuente.

Thanks, somehow I missed that. I have corrected the numbers in both my posts.

 

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[Theologator]

Level of competition means so much in this. But note that UCF has a 3* QB that Frost knew from camps at Oregon. Milton is undersized (5’11”, 170) but throws and runs extremely well, and makes good decisions. They also snagged 3* Adrian Killins, a 5’8” 3* RB out of Daytona Beach who is crazy fast. My point isn’t that stars don’t matter. They do. But he got guys that fit his system and hasn’t been afraid to play them early so they could develop.

But it’s also true that in the post-Tebow era, UCF has had 2 QBs (Bortles & Milton) that are far better than the parade of busts we’ve had at UF, plus WRs & RBs that are doing well in the NFL.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I will say this, all the names mentioned THIS time are better than the names we kept hearing last time.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

My point isn’t that stars don’t matter. They do.

Fit matters a lot too.

But for those who were saying stars dont matter as one of the many McElscuses, he WAS trying to land other players and ended up with many of our FIU snags after whiffing. Not the same thing.

 

[Theologator]

Fit matters a lot too.

But for those who were saying stars dont matter as one of the many McElscuses, he WAS trying to land other players and ended up with many of our FIU snags after whiffing. Not the same thing.

Agree. Finding overlooked guys like Brandon James is a big part of talent evaluation. Every great team has excellent 3* players that have developed and 5* busts. But over time, the more 4 & 5 stars the better.

The fact that Blake Bortles was a 2* or whatever doesn’t make other 2* QBs into Blake Bortles. He was the extreme exception.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

UCF has had 2 QBs (Bortles & Milton) that are far better than the parade of busts we’ve had at UF, plus WRs & RBs that are doing well in the NFL.

My only quibble with your post is that to me the issue is not that Bortles and Mitlon are better than Driskel and Brissett, but rather they were coached better and played in better offenses. That is why i believe UF is searching for a head football coach once again.

 

[BMF]

Level of competition means so much in this. But note that UCF has a 3* QB that Frost knew from camps at Oregon. Milton is undersized (5’11”, 170) but throws and runs extremely well, and makes good decisions. They also snagged 3* Adrian Killins, a 5’8” 3* RB out of Daytona Beach who is crazy fast. My point isn’t that stars don’t matter. They do. But he got guys that fit his system and hasn’t been afraid to play them early so they could develop.

But it’s also true that in the post-Tebow era, UCF has had 2 QBs (Bortles & Milton) that are far better than the parade of busts we’ve had at UF, plus WRs & RBs that are doing well in the NFL.

Good info Theo.

I think we have enough talent on our roster to have a much, much better offense next season w/ a competent coaching staff. I think we are getting Frost (and will be very disappointed if we don't). He has several options at QB w/ Franks, Allen, Trask, Corral, and even Toney. We know he knows how to coach an offense and quite frankly, other than Alabama, UGA and LSU, the SEC defenses don't scare anyone these days.

Frost comes in, I imagine our offense improves 100+ yards/game and at least 10 points/game. That would give us 9-10 wins without a thought. He brings in some top 5 recruiting classes and we'll be competing for the SEC title (not playing in the game, but winning it) within 2-3 years. UGA is going to be our biggest hurdle going forward. I don't think anyone is scared of LSU anymore and FSU has it's share of problems (but a lot of talent).

 

[Swamp Donkey]

He has several options at QB w/ Franks, Allen, Trask, Corral, and even Toney.

LDR, Trask and Allen will leave IMO. None have wheels. None will play.

Zaire may still be trying to get that extra year. I don't know.

 

[Theologator]

My only quibble with your post is that to me the issue is not that Bortles and Mitlon are better than Driskel and Brissett, but rather they were coached better and played in better offenses. That is why i believe UF is searching for a head football coach once again.

True. And so much of this is timing & fit as well. Bortles had time to develop and fit O’Leary’s system. Milton fits Frost’s.

I’m not sure what Muschamp’s OC’s were even trying to accomplish, but Driskell & Brissett both prospered after they left.

 

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