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That personal trainer is Denny Thompson and he has worked with AR for nearly four years.
I wonder what he believes he has taught AR during that timeframe. I can’t see hardly any development at all.
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Slovis 65.4% career passer than has gotten progressively worse every season. Hornsby 46.2 pct career.
Pass on both. I'd rather Miller or Rashada be starter.
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Taught him how not to get named after a cheap greasy diner chain that puts its customers on the commode for hours after each visit?
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This. Feels like we’re signing Chad Henne or one of the McCowns. Out on those guys.
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Five Guys?Taught him how not to get named after a cheap greasy diner chain that puts its customers on the commode for hours after each visit?
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Donkey shot me an email and I asked him if he liked all the players being jettisoned. Here was his answer:
Yeah. The primary problem right now is lack of size and talent DL and LB.
Grantham grabbed every 210-230 pound blitz specialist he could find and then put them at both DEs, sometimes DE, and at inside linebacker. It is truly a defense built for sack or TD. It never worked. Most kids didn't add enough size and the ones who moved to Inside LB (like Diabete and Burney) never made the transition well. Never read the plays well, never were proficient in run defense, though they did run well side to side.
I like Big Chief out of the guys we are losing. He is a bull and a punisher at linebacker. However, if you go back to the thread, I also said I wasn't sure he was fast enough for SEC. Itraz said he may well project at DL. I guess by Billy moving him to DE ("outside" linebacker as they call it but it is the position that Cox plays, hand in the dirt at DE about 95% of the time) in the fall meant they didn't think he was fast enough either. Raz was right.
The best case scenario was something like a harder hitting Ventrell Miller. I know some people who don't understand football well think Ventrell is a helluva player, and he is. Given his talent he probably should be D2 or D3, and he really played much better. Easy to like him. But he just isn't fast enough. His instincts and ability to read make him play faster at least vs the run but he is two steps behind a TE or RB in pass coverage by the time the receiver is 7-10 yards deep. LOVE the kid but he is just too slow. He has zero future in the NFL and really wouldn't be playing for any other SEC team except maybe Vandy.
I still feel like maybe Chief could fill out like the Pyburn (#44) has given time. However, Pyburn put on 20 pounds immediately and Chief hasn't put on weight at all. So maybe that determined his future.
Princely is in the same boat. 240 pounds in HS, trying to play DE vs an SEC OT and he is at...... 245 pounds right, and honestly he doesn't look it. I would guess 220.. Wrong answer and our run defense showed it all season.
As bad as Zero Dean was all season (a total liability in pass coverage, averagish vs run though), the PRIMARY problems were our 2 DEs being too ****ing small and being useless vs the run.
I got widely mocked for saying Zero, 1 and 2 were the primary problems on this defense. Losing Cox didn't fix much but it helped a little. In exchange for that one sack per three games or one RB he ran down from behind per game, Cox blew about 30-50 assignments, and almost every redzone TE we gave up was Cox ducking inside and giving the QB or RB the edge. Just can't be tolerated and I'm glad Billy ****canned him.
I think we had a full 85 schollies for the first time since like 2008. That is stunning if you think about it. And we only have like 5 seniors. So if we also plan on bringing in a full (or fullish) class and even a few out of the transfer portal, we're going to need to see about 30 kids total moving on.
You can't complain about the "recruiting" Dan Mullen did--it was more like a negligent husband buying gifts for his wife (and/or girlfriends) on Dec 24, just rummaging through the damaged and leftovers at the last minute-- and be critical of roster cuts.
If we kept all the kids we had, with all these 6th or 7th year covid seniors, we would have only had like 8 scholarships in this class. This was always going to happen at all the schools when they let kids have an extra year but didn't extend the 85 scholarship limit to 110 or something.
Defense was like 100 plus in almost everything. In scoring defense (the one that matters) they are just terrible. In scoring offense (the one that matters) I think 45-50th. Average on offense is the best you can expect given the scheme. That being said, blowing everything up is dangerous. He really better turn this **** around fast. And he better get the defense back to at least average right ****ing now. He is being compared to USC and LSU getting a new coach and turning around 4-8 teams immediately. Kelly at LSU blew it up, played like 25 freshmen, including 3 starting on the OL. He got thumped early a bit but by the end of the season they were playing (mostly) like a talented young group. I kind of wish Billy had done this too. In a way he just wasted this season completely, for nothing, unless you think a Vegas bowl means something.
Now we are looking at being in LSU shoes next year, terrible at first and hoping to turn it around in maybe November. It is going to be a rough ride I think.
I know Billy just isn't that tier of coach yet, meaning Kelly or Lincoln Riley, and frankly we didn't pay for that tier of coach, but this is Florida. If he lays another stinker and then is heading into the usual year 3 slump.... I just don't know how he survives.
You don't survive 0-3 vs Ugly. Or 0-3 vs Tinerc. 6 wins this year, 6 wins next year and 4 or 5 wins in 2024 means he gets fired on Halloween after the Ugly game. It just does. I hope Billy pulls it out. He is the coach I like the best since Meyer, but he still isn't a guy I think who is NOT a fit at UF (because of the clunky and conservative offense primarily).
I don't know if he can do it. I'm especially not sure if he has the staff to do it. Only two were respected P5 coaches. And they seem to be doing all the recruiting by themselves (along with Billy). I haven't looked at the Florida top 25 lately but I think UF has only landed 2-3. That isn't good enough, period. We should be landing like 8-12. We have home turf advantage. There are no excuses left.
At least he did finally get that first win over Drinkwitz, right? Boom MFers.
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I just saw Summerall.
He is ****ing terrible. Useful only on third and long. I think he has actually lost weight somehow while playing at UF. Like 6-5 and 220 allegedly, but looks like 205.
I've seen Ethiopian marathon runners who appeared to be spending more time in the weight room. GTFO.
I think we've been playing leftovers so long that we don't even remember what a real SEC defensive line looks like. And don't even know why we've sucked for what seems like forever.
If it were up to me, we'd have two of those itty bitty DEs, no more, and they'd play only on third and long or other obvious passing situations.
Yeah. The primary problem right now is lack of size and talent DL and LB.
Grantham grabbed every 210-230 pound blitz specialist he could find and then put them at both DEs, sometimes DE, and at inside linebacker. It is truly a defense built for sack or TD. It never worked. Most kids didn't add enough size and the ones who moved to Inside LB (like Diabete and Burney) never made the transition well. Never read the plays well, never were proficient in run defense, though they did run well side to side.
I like Big Chief out of the guys we are losing. He is a bull and a punisher at linebacker. However, if you go back to the thread, I also said I wasn't sure he was fast enough for SEC. Itraz said he may well project at DL. I guess by Billy moving him to DE ("outside" linebacker as they call it but it is the position that Cox plays, hand in the dirt at DE about 95% of the time) in the fall meant they didn't think he was fast enough either. Raz was right.
The best case scenario was something like a harder hitting Ventrell Miller. I know some people who don't understand football well think Ventrell is a helluva player, and he is. Given his talent he probably should be D2 or D3, and he really played much better. Easy to like him. But he just isn't fast enough. His instincts and ability to read make him play faster at least vs the run but he is two steps behind a TE or RB in pass coverage by the time the receiver is 7-10 yards deep. LOVE the kid but he is just too slow. He has zero future in the NFL and really wouldn't be playing for any other SEC team except maybe Vandy.
I still feel like maybe Chief could fill out like the Pyburn (#44) has given time. However, Pyburn put on 20 pounds immediately and Chief hasn't put on weight at all. So maybe that determined his future.
Princely is in the same boat. 240 pounds in HS, trying to play DE vs an SEC OT and he is at...... 245 pounds right, and honestly he doesn't look it. I would guess 220.. Wrong answer and our run defense showed it all season.
As bad as Zero Dean was all season (a total liability in pass coverage, averagish vs run though), the PRIMARY problems were our 2 DEs being too ****ing small and being useless vs the run.
I got widely mocked for saying Zero, 1 and 2 were the primary problems on this defense. Losing Cox didn't fix much but it helped a little. In exchange for that one sack per three games or one RB he ran down from behind per game, Cox blew about 30-50 assignments, and almost every redzone TE we gave up was Cox ducking inside and giving the QB or RB the edge. Just can't be tolerated and I'm glad Billy ****canned him.
I think we had a full 85 schollies for the first time since like 2008. That is stunning if you think about it. And we only have like 5 seniors. So if we also plan on bringing in a full (or fullish) class and even a few out of the transfer portal, we're going to need to see about 30 kids total moving on.
You can't complain about the "recruiting" Dan Mullen did--it was more like a negligent husband buying gifts for his wife (and/or girlfriends) on Dec 24, just rummaging through the damaged and leftovers at the last minute-- and be critical of roster cuts.
If we kept all the kids we had, with all these 6th or 7th year covid seniors, we would have only had like 8 scholarships in this class. This was always going to happen at all the schools when they let kids have an extra year but didn't extend the 85 scholarship limit to 110 or something.
Defense was like 100 plus in almost everything. In scoring defense (the one that matters) they are just terrible. In scoring offense (the one that matters) I think 45-50th. Average on offense is the best you can expect given the scheme. That being said, blowing everything up is dangerous. He really better turn this **** around fast. And he better get the defense back to at least average right ****ing now. He is being compared to USC and LSU getting a new coach and turning around 4-8 teams immediately. Kelly at LSU blew it up, played like 25 freshmen, including 3 starting on the OL. He got thumped early a bit but by the end of the season they were playing (mostly) like a talented young group. I kind of wish Billy had done this too. In a way he just wasted this season completely, for nothing, unless you think a Vegas bowl means something.
Now we are looking at being in LSU shoes next year, terrible at first and hoping to turn it around in maybe November. It is going to be a rough ride I think.
I know Billy just isn't that tier of coach yet, meaning Kelly or Lincoln Riley, and frankly we didn't pay for that tier of coach, but this is Florida. If he lays another stinker and then is heading into the usual year 3 slump.... I just don't know how he survives.
You don't survive 0-3 vs Ugly. Or 0-3 vs Tinerc. 6 wins this year, 6 wins next year and 4 or 5 wins in 2024 means he gets fired on Halloween after the Ugly game. It just does. I hope Billy pulls it out. He is the coach I like the best since Meyer, but he still isn't a guy I think who is NOT a fit at UF (because of the clunky and conservative offense primarily).
I don't know if he can do it. I'm especially not sure if he has the staff to do it. Only two were respected P5 coaches. And they seem to be doing all the recruiting by themselves (along with Billy). I haven't looked at the Florida top 25 lately but I think UF has only landed 2-3. That isn't good enough, period. We should be landing like 8-12. We have home turf advantage. There are no excuses left.
At least he did finally get that first win over Drinkwitz, right? Boom MFers.
P.S. -
I just saw Summerall.
He is ****ing terrible. Useful only on third and long. I think he has actually lost weight somehow while playing at UF. Like 6-5 and 220 allegedly, but looks like 205.
I've seen Ethiopian marathon runners who appeared to be spending more time in the weight room. GTFO.
I think we've been playing leftovers so long that we don't even remember what a real SEC defensive line looks like. And don't even know why we've sucked for what seems like forever.
If it were up to me, we'd have two of those itty bitty DEs, no more, and they'd play only on third and long or other obvious passing situations.
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