This board is in shambles
Having a player enroll and leave is very rare - very.
It’s just one less scholarship athlete (a 5 star) that could have developed (savage and all that) into a real player and who was running with the 1’s occasionally.
Consistently beating our rivals and winning the SEC east, regularly winning the SEC title and making (and winning in) the playoffs. If he can do that by recruiting in the 10-15 range, more power to him and he’ll last a long time. Personally I can’t see recruiting at that level and winning championships.I'll be the Pumper...Mullen will turn the recruiting around BUT many will always want something different.
I have one very serious question…I am not trying to be an ARSE:
What determines if Mullen is a success, failure, or just okay?
What if we recruit well but still are a 9-10 win team?
Or we are a Top 10-15 recruiting team but win?
So now UF has the opportunity to go out and get someone with those talents.
Phew. Glad we NOW have the opportunity to get players who can contribute. Thanks Chris and Jalon. We were f’d without them leaving. It wasn’t Knox, English, Grantham or Mullen, it wasn’t the facilities, the recruiting staff, the dorms or the AD’s office holding us back. It was these two guys being on campus for 2 months. Look out Clemson. Now we are really coming for your commits!
I like Fuji.You have convinced me. We would have been much better having Jones getting suspended after winning the job and say before the national championship game. We would be much better off having Steele quit on UF on the field in a key play in the SEC championship game.
I am sure your policy of storing your bad apple with your good apples works out well for you. Other have different tastes in apples.
Matrix:
What constitutes talent? …Seriously
Do we need to average 4 stars? And does a 5 make up for a 3?
How high of a rank is enough to have continued success? 5, 10, 15…not below….?
And if you have a lot of 4-5 stars but some lowly back-ups?
I say this because Muschamp had talent BUT…
Zook had talent but…
That’s some serious deflection. Look, the point is that the only QB and the only 5 star in the class were gone before the first fall practice. Trying to spin that into a positive is just silly. We clearly never should have recruited either one of those dudes, but for some reason we did. So instead of having an actual QB and a talented DB, we have nothing. That’s not going to help us beat the Dawgs anytime soon.You have convinced me. We would have been much better having Jones getting suspended after winning the job and say before the national championship game. We would be much better off having Steele quit on UF on the field in a key play in the SEC championship game.
I am sure your policy of storing your bad apple with your good apples works out well for you. Other have different tastes in apples.
Firstly: I propose that we carry 85 scholarship players. That would be a start.
Secondly: I propose that 2/3rds of those players be blue chip
Thirdly:I propose that those blue chippers be predominately top 250. I'll make some allowance for oline which typically are rated lower.
Fourthly: I propose that 1/3 to a 1/2 of those blue chippers be top 100.
Fifthly: I propose that at least 2 of every class be 5*.
Studies have shown that's generally the makeup of a championship team. Will Miles did a pretty good compilation a while back.
Finally: I propose that the team be coached competently. Zook, Chump, and Butters need not apply.
I honestly don't expect us to compete (i.e. win the SEC) until those requirements are close to being met.
You could argue that recruiting has gotten slightly worse. The coaching is light years better though and the s&c( like you said) aswell. But recruiting could be a touch worse.I wouldn't go that far. At least these guys do something in the weight room other than eat pb&j. But I do agree that recruiting results have not changed much since Mullen's arrival. We needed significant recruiting improvements, and it hasn't happened yet.
Firstly: I propose that we carry 85 scholarship players. That would be a start.
Secondly: I propose that 2/3rds of those players be blue chip
Thirdly:I propose that those blue chippers be predominately top 250. I'll make some allowance for oline which typically are rated lower.
Fourthly: I propose that 1/3 to a 1/2 of those blue chippers be top 100.
Fifthly: I propose that at least 2 of every class be 5*.
Studies have shown that's generally the makeup of a championship team. Will Miles did a pretty good compilation a while back.
Finally: I propose that the team be coached competently. Zook, Chump, and Butters need not apply.
I honestly don't expect us to compete (i.e. win the SEC) until those requirements are close to being met.
We clearly never should have recruited either one of those dudes, but for some reason we did. So instead of having an actual QB and a talented DB, we have nothing.
That’s some serious deflection. Look, the point is that the only QB and the only 5 star in the class were gone before the first fall practice. Trying to spin that into a positive is just silly. We clearly never should have recruited either one of those dudes, but for some reason we did. So instead of having an actual QB and a talented DB, we have nothing. That’s not going to help us beat the Dawgs anytime soon.
Thanks...good stuff.
How many D-1 Teams can meet this criteria?
A friend of mine (OSU FAN) was just saying...with the Top Tier kids if they don't start...they bail...especially Skilled positions
This is an interesting proposal.
1: Right now in the 247 top 10 talented programs 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8 have 85 players. The other 4 programs do not. However only one number 10 has less than 80. So I would agree with this one by maybe say 82+. It is always good to have a spot or two in August in case someone like Cox wants to transfer in.
2. Right now in the 247 top 10 talented programs only 1, 2, 3 make that percentage. Perhaps 60% might be a better number for you.
3/4. I view these as a bit arbitrary and hard to track. The biggest problem is 2019 250th player may not be better than the 2020 251st player. Similarly with top 100s.
5. Let give your metric a break on this one and say that many 5 star players go pro after four years and thus this means at least 8 five star players on the roster. Only 3 teams in the country right now have that many. Clemson for example does not meet this criteria.
6. Concur completely.
UF is currently at 78 players according to the site that prompted this thread. I have UF at 77 so UF needs bring that number up to around 82 or 83 in the next couple of years. Of those 78 players 38 or 48.7% were blue chip recruits and only 1 was a five star recruit.
mcelwain got us to Atlanta, but that shouldn't change your expectations..
In conclusion, until recruiting is on par with UGA/LSU I don't expect to get to Atlanta. .
Because we (Chump) had out recruited Georgia, i.e. we had more talent. Even SharkFcker couldn't screw that up.mcelwain got us to Atlanta, but that shouldn't change your expectations.