Yeah sending a single chunk of lead is ok for the highly trained and maybe even skilled range rats out there but for me there is comfort in volume....Within 10-20 feet there is just no way a single hit from a 9mm, 45, 357 or similar handgun has the "incapacitating" ability of a 00Buck round from a 12GA......Body armor may stop my 1st round from penetrating but by the time someone picks themselves up after being knocked on their ass I will have already decapitated the bad guy with my follow up round...With my lack of capability a shotgun is the only possible option.
Thanks.Shotguns are fine, no doubt, but at across the room distances as shotgun is a rifle. The shot will be basically a single projectile.
You still have to train and know what your doing, no matter what Joe Biden says.
but by the time someone picks themselves up after being knocked on their ass I will have already decapitated the bad guy with my follow up round...
Go practice. Eapecially if it is a pump gun, and you didnt grow up with it in your hands often like our hunting grandfathers did, it IS easy to mis-stroke and cause a failure.I would think it would depends on what type of ammo you are using and the conditions that you would expect to use your weapon in. And of course training and capability counts a lot. With my lack of capability a shotgun is the only possible option.
Heavy gongs don't have rib bones, gall bladders and livers....Ever see a boxer get knocked out from a body blow? He'll stand right in front of you for about 3 seconds unable to even lift his arms to defend himself let alone fire a shot from a gun.... Ever got the wind knocked out of you when playing football? Ever had broken ribs? Would you let me shoot you in the abdomen/chest area from 10-12 feet away with your body armor on?A big gong, that weights half what a person does? You hardly move it.
Me neither but I'm sensible enough to listen to some people that are....here's a few quotes regarding the effects of being hit with a shotgun at close range in their opinions...BTW these guys were Federal Agents with expertise in ballistics.I don't like your prospects as a tactical instructor. Stick with baking.
ironicMe neither but I'm sensible enough to listen to some people that are...
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BTW, that is all absolute bullshyt.
And most federal agents certainly have never seen someone shot, hell most have never actually used their handcuffs.
Whoever wrote that is absolutely full of shyt and became an "expert" by watching Hollywood or video games.
There's no doubt that for $200 ish a pump shotgun is the best value going.Get good with what ya got
I've shot or seen deer and other medium mammals shot many dozen times. The sole time that one fell straight to the ground it had a severed spinal cord (and was a 7.62). Five or six were deer shot with slugs. None fell straight to the ground or were hit with sledge hammers.So the only way someone dies or is "incapacitated" from a gunshot is by bleeding out?....Hmmm, next time you drop a Buck where he stands ask yourself this....Is it possible he bled out in literally milliseconds, before he hit the ground? Or more likely was it trauma associated with impact.... Do you honestly believe you would be able to stay on your feet(notice I didn't say it would "blow you off your feet") and be able to defend yourself if I hit you in the abdomen with a sledge hammer? Hell I'd even let you wear your body armor and bet you wouldn't be able to.
In all due respect I'll await your response.
I'll bet none of them were wearing body armor or were shot sneaking in through the patio door either....;)I've shot or seen deer and other medium mammals shot many dozen times. The sole time that one fell straight to the ground it had a severed spinal cord (and was a 7.62). Five or six were deer shot with slugs. None fell straight to the ground or were hit with sledge hammers.
I have several close friends/family members that are in Law enforcement and they are pretty quick to point out that EVERY gun has it's limitations and no 2 situations are the same, too many variables. Everyone of them is more comfortable with the handgun they carry everyday(close quarters/home defense) and it boils down to what they've trained with the most. Can't argue with training.12g is a great choice. I choose it myself at times and have done so professionally. It just isnt magic. Keep training.