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[neteng]

No. Each player is given a “number” and the class rating is a summation of all the points. So sometimes really big classes will rank high. Even if they have a bunch of mediocre players.

And the best way to measure a team is probably what the dude put above.

The best way to measure a class is probably average star rank. But that doesn’t take certain things into consideration like needs or the players who actually make it onto campus.

So my post above was a simple way to say it. However it is much more complex. Because the way that they assign numbers to certain players is complex.

If you want to geek out, here is actually how they do it:

Yeah...I get all that, well, I don't get all that but I get that each player is assigned a number and then a team's composite score can be formulated several different ways based on the aggregate of those numbers. Right. Understood. I also understand that there are some teams currently ahead of us in the rankings just because they have more committed players. What I am saying is if we add fluff in with the blue chippers we arent going to make it in to the top 10 no matter how you manipulate the numbers. Calculate in Nolen and Stewart and our score goes to 224 for 13 recruits. Then add in Conner and Nonar and we only go to 229 for 15 recruits. Comparing that to other teams with similar number of recruits we aren't really making any sort of realistic push towards top 10 and we will still have to have some big names to get top 15.

 

[GatorJ]

Should be Top 4 or in consideration Every Year

Well I don’t know about that. But I would say 5 to 7 is good. We were only consistently top 4 with Urban Meyer. And that was for about half the time he was here.

If we consistently run 5 to 7 and get the Florida kids we want, we will compete for the SEC.

We are not going to compete for championships with classes ranked outside of the top 10.

 

[rogdochar]

This year unfurled Copeland will run faster, jump higher than any DB, CB. He will outrun Henderson, even outrun, outjump Mullen on the sidelines. He will do all this as Emory gains 3.6 oft-tackle. This year's plan is grand. Strickland promises Mullen will win 5 of our first 3 games (that includes the extension).??

PS >> With serious reflection, Strickland has signed the Gators to a new NIL sponsor = Solyndra.

 

[rogdochar]

Great news for "21 Gator football season. Biden just called: said he wants to throw out the first pitch.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I think there’s a whole lot more positive than negative going on..

J, you know I love you.....but....
What is positive?
QBs run better. It is the sole thing I can think of.

Backs and receivers big talent drop off, not that it matters much. This really doesn't bother me because it's an afterthought in this offense. Mediocre is good enough and will "produce" the standard 500 yards for the starting receivers and first two backs.

OL is approaching the Butters Zone again and Douchebag Dan is out there cheerleading for a failed coach.

STs- same moron coaching

Defense- same moron coaching and severe talent problems except DL and CB.

Recruiting- same shttshow, actually much worse now.

Where is the silver lining? We will be able to run more before we punt this year?

 

[soflagator]

J, you know I love you.....but....
What is positive?
QBs run better. It is the sole thing I can think of.

Backs and receivers big talent drop off, not that it matters much.

STs- same moron coaching

Defense- same moron coaching and severe talent problems except DL and CB.

Recruiting- same shttshow, actually much worse now.

Where is the silver lining? We will be able to run more before we punt this year?

The problem is you made all of these points going into each of the last three seasons. Per your own words, we fielded the least talented team of the last 30 years in 2018 and there was no way we’d win more than 6 games. We won 10 games.
Then it was attributed to luck going into 2019, which you insisted would turn on him and UF. We won 11 games. Other shoe was sure to drop last year as well, only to see us win what would’ve been 10+ games in a normal season, beat uga and finally get back to Atl and play a competitive game.

Doesn’t mean we have to be thrilled. Doesn’t imply there aren’t improvements and changes that need to be made. And I don’t know a single person here or otherwise, including several former players I know, that disagrees regarding Grantham. But you’ve been completely wrong on what we’d see up to this point, namely in what Mullen would do with what he had. So the fact that you see only negative at the current moment, doesn’t really hold much water.

 

[maheo30]

Where is the silver lining? We will be able to run more before we punt this year?

I think the WRs take a huge step up in their blocking this year with EJ running more.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Well I don’t know about that. But I would say 5 to 7 is good. We were only consistently top 4 with Urban Meyer. .

We were usually 2-5 with SoS, except with Beano Cook. With Beano, Notre Dame was always first and Michigan and Ohio State were close by.

There are 125 other coaches in college football that would love to be the flagship woth home field advantage for the talent in Florida, Texas or California.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

The problem is you made all of these points going into each of the last three seasons. Per your own words, we fielded the least talented team of the last 30 years in 2018 and there was no way we’d win more than 6 games.

Glad to see how proud you are of losing to Kimtucky and Mizzu.

beat uga and finally get back to Atl and play a competitive game.

Maybe you can pray to Albert that Ugaly will be playing walkons again.

There was nothing slightly competitive about the Trailerbammer game. Saban snoozed the whole game and tried not to get anyone hurt. They turned off the offense halfway through tue second quarter. If they wanted to score 80 or 90 on Third and Grantham, they could have.

Yeah, as for accurately forecasting, Ive been 100% on the direction of the prorgam since Mullinz created the smurfshow and forgot to sign an offensive line two years in a row, the Muschump fiasco, and your boy Butters (we just hired the next SOS and it isnt even fair to the SEC).

Enjoy your QB dives.

Luckily we do have a punter who should be All American.

 

[NOLAGATOR]

The problem is you made all of these points going into each of the last three seasons. Per your own words, we fielded the least talented team of the last 30 years in 2018 and there was no way we’d win more than 6 games. We won 10 games.
Then it was attributed to luck going into 2019, which you insisted would turn on him and UF. We won 11 games. Other shoe was sure to drop last year as well, only to see us win what would’ve been 10+ games in a normal season, beat uga and finally get back to Atl and play a competitive game.

Doesn’t mean we have to be thrilled. Doesn’t imply there aren’t improvements and changes that need to be made. And I don’t know a single person here or otherwise, including several former players I know, that disagrees regarding Grantham. But you’ve been completely wrong on what we’d see up to this point, namely in what Mullen would do with what he had. So the fact that you see only negative at the current moment, doesn’t really hold much water.

He may be wrong but we don't have an O line. Our right side is sad.

We are going back to a Mullen Offense...run first...how's that going to work? Our line is awful at run blocking.

Mullen's Offense depends on speed...and again.

Now there is that Grantham D. It couldn't stop blocking dummies last year.

Grantham at UGA with all kinds of 4 * & 5* talent lost to us.

And I am no Football Guru...there are many on here who know their shyte...Cover2 for one...but I know what I saw last year.

We did not get better...we got worse. We've done nothig in the off season to correct or defense.

Yeah...there is lots to be hopeful...NOT

Show me where I'm wrong because its depressing.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

The best way to measure a class is probably average star rank. .

It isnt at all.

There is a huge difference between a high for star recruit and a low four-star recruit.

A high 4* recruit is basically someone that about half of the scouts thought was a 5* (an All Conference 5* player) and half the scouts thought was a 4* player (a power five starter). these are of course most of the players that we start the recruiting season targeting and whiff on. The top 250 type recruits.

the low four-star players that we land are people that half of the scouts think will probably be a 4* and half of the scouts think will be a power five backup, a 3*.

Class GPA, if it is unweighted isnt particularly useful at least for our purposes. Actually jist counting 5* and top 250 is probably more useful in seeing how close or far we are from ever being elite again.

Admittedly recruiting so far (but their are black flags with this recruiting class) have been much better than what Butters was doing which was landing low 3-star players, which half the scouts thought were going to be Power 5 backups and the other half thought they would be lower division players/ backups (2").

 

[soflagator]

Glad to see how proud you are of losing to Kimtucky and Mizzu.


Maybe you can pray to Albert that Ugaly will be playing walkons again.

There was nothing slightly competitive about the Trailerbammer game. Saban snoozed the whole game and tried not to get anyone hurt. They turned off the offense halfway through tue second quarter. If they wanted to score 80 or 90 on Third and Grantham, they could have.

Yeah, as for accurately forecasting, Ive been 100% on the direction of the prorgam since Mullinz created the smurfshow and forgot to sign an offensive line two years in a row, the Muschump fiasco, and your boy Butters (we just hired the next SOS and it isnt even fair to the SEC).

Enjoy your QB dives.

Luckily we do have a punter who should be All American.

I did enjoy those games. Not as much as blowouts to the only teams with a pulse(ut, fsu) in 1990, but still really enjoyable.

As for the SECCG, you and a few others may be the only people in the planet that feel like Saban was perfectly content going into the 4th with a one possession game. It’s also funny how shutting things down included a min drill to close Q2 and going for it on 4th in Q3.

But maybe a better question is if a 6 point loss to Alabama in a game where they scored 52 is so non-competitive, how does losing by 28–with an Urban Meyer built roster—to that same Alabama team(52-24), make Ryan Day(a guy you rave about) so demonstrably better?

 

[Swamp Donkey]

make Ryan Day(a guy you rave about) so demonstrably better?

A guy who brings home a top 3 class filled with 5 stars and top 250 players who will continue to dominate.

Im glad you are so proud of Mullens throwing the white flag and going into runout the clock mode to keep games close.

I remember us laughing at it when Kiffin did it versus Creyer.

Your comparison of this current pile of shyt to SOS and Creyer border on some.kind of psychological disorder. complete detachment from reality. Yeah, Vacationing Dan is just like SOS and Creyer, except for the lack of championships and elite recruiting.

 

[NOLAGATOR]

It isnt at all.

There is a huge difference between a high for star recruit and a low four-star recruit.

A high 4* recruit is basically someone that about half of the scouts thought was a 5* (an All Conference 5* player) and half the scouts thought was a 4* player (a power five starter). these are of course most of the players that we start the recruiting season targeting and whiff on. The top 250 type recruits.

the low four-star players that we land are people that half of the scouts think will probably be a 4* and half of the scouts think will be a power five backup, a 3*.

Class GPA, if it is unweighted isnt particularly useful at least for our purposes. Actually jist counting 5* and top 250 is probably more useful in seeing how close or far we are from ever being elite again.

admittedly this is much better than what butters was doing which was landing low 3-star players, which half the scouts thought were going to be Power 5 backups and the other half thought they would be lower division players/ backups (2").

And a team of high 3* with time together and "Good Coaching" ala GA So...can beat a poorly coached UF

And so we have okay talent...a deplorable DC and a HC who seems to be going through the motions...How do those numbers figure?

 

[Swamp Donkey]

And a team of high 3* and "Good Coaching" ala South Alabama can beat Mullinz

Yes.

 

[soflagator]

A guy who brings home a top 3 class filled with 5 stars and top 250 players who will continue to dominate.
.

But still can’t stay within 27 of Alabama. At least Mullen, Smart and even Kiffin have done that. I mean, my God, Zook beat him.

Yikes. First Fedora, then Brohm, now this clown?

 

[soflagator]

He may be wrong but we don't have an O line. Our right side is sad.

We are going back to a Mullen Offense...run first...how's that going to work? Our line is awful at run blocking.

Mullen's Offense depends on speed...and again.

Now there is that Grantham D. It couldn't stop blocking dummies last year.

Grantham at UGA with all kinds of 4 * & 5* talent lost to us.

And I am no Football Guru...there are many on here who know their shyte...Cover2 for one...but I know what I saw last year.

We did not get better...we got worse. We've done nothig in the off season to correct or defense.

Yeah...there is lots to be hopeful...NOT

Show me where I'm wrong because its depressing.

I’ll answer this way. Which position is notably worse? The only ones I see this year:

WR—and that’s largely because we lost Grimes(transfer he landed) and Toney. I’m open to opinions on KT, but either this staff helped develop him or McElwain was a magical recruiter. I don’t care which you choose, just choose one. I say give a little credit.

QB—see the other KT above. Can’t have it both ways.

TE—lost maybe our best ever. A step back was inevitable.

Don’t see another spot we’re not as good or better, even if only much deeper, than the past few years.

 

[RiverRat]

To the topic of hope vs doom, this is about the best I've got for hope: The hope that crazy things happen in sports. Trask had no business being any good and may have been our most prolific passer ever. The 04's were part of Donavan getting away from 5 star recruits to build a team and came out of nowhere.

The absolute fact that we've seen aberrations in sports, and should expect some every year, is our hope.

But, our rationality is that aberrations ultimately come back to their rightful place. Mullies first place Miss St team in 2014 (into November) finished with 3 losses, going 1-3 over the last 4 games. They lost to each ranked team (including powerhouses Ole Miss and Georgia Tech) in that stretch and only beat Vandy.

Our 2012 season or last season's offense also ended up back at their mean by season's end.

So, when we view the coaches' history, recruiting history, schedule, and our years of experience, we are left hoping for aberrations. That may carry us a few games, but it is a shytty way to enter a season. We are looking at this for the next 3-5 seasons.

This is RiverRat and I support this message.
Go Gators!

 

[Brooks]

J, you know I love you.....but....
What is positive?
QBs run better. It is the sole thing I can think of.

Backs and receivers big talent drop off, not that it matters much. This really doesn't bother me because it's an afterthought in this offense. Mediocre is good enough and will "produce" the standard 500 yards for the starting receivers and first two backs.

OL is approaching the Butters Zone again and Douchebag Dan is out there cheerleading for a failed coach.

STs- same moron coaching

Defense- same moron coaching and severe talent problems except DL and CB.

Recruiting- same shttshow, actually much worse now.

Where is the silver lining? We will be able to run more before we punt this year?

Dude, you are a really interesting poster on this board and I like some of your takes here. You do make some good points some times. But you have been so terribly wrong about some stuff that I feel like you should be questioning your own line of thinking. J is right. There's no more positive than negative right now. It's close. There's no way to call some of that stuff until the season starts. Maybe the defense ends up being better just by subtraction of some morons. Big drop off with backs is a dumb take. Why because we lost Perine? Lol

 

[Durty South Swamp]

Dude, you are a really interesting poster on this board and I like some of your takes here. You do make some good points some times. But you have been so terribly wrong about some stuff that I feel like you should be questioning your own line of thinking. J is right. There's no more positive than negative right now. It's close. There's no way to call some of that stuff until the season starts. Maybe the defense ends up being better just by subtraction of some morons. Big drop off with backs is a dumb take. Why because we lost Perine? Lol

Perine hasn't been around for 2 years.